X-Message-Number: 31522
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:36:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: rr ss <>
Subject: re: the immortalist Bible and cryonics

over at imminst forums, we are having a discussion: 

http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=28474&st=0#entry308516


The discussion centers on how these immortalist verses of the bible should be 
used:


First Corinthians 15:21 says that "For as by a man came death, by a man has come
also the resurrection of the dead."


Corinthians 15:25 tells us that Jesus "must reign until he has put all his 
enemies under his feet." 
Corinthians 15:26:  "The last enemy to be destroyed is death."


Matthews 10:8 says that we are to "Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the 
dead. . . . "


Psalm 37:29 tells us that "The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell 
therein forever."


Here is my latest reply in that thread:


everyone here but me is saying the same thing that is posted on Alcor.org---that
there are no contradictions between christianity and immortalism/cryonics.


That is NOT my argument at all. I am saying that being a good christian DEMANDS 
that you be a good cryonicist. The bible tells us to be a disciple of jesus. THe
bible records jesus telling his disciples to raise the dead. The bible says 
that jesus is fighting a battle against death (his FINAL battle...). The bible 
tells us that if we are righteous and do as jesus tells us to do--to raise the 
dead and help Jesus in his battle against death--that we will live on the land 
FOREVER. Not on in heaven, but on the land--that means here on earth. 


Someone here replied by regurgitating the institutional/majoritarian 
interpretation of the bible regarding immortality. I do not CARE about the 
standard interpretation of the bible with respect to death. I already know that 
it leads to 100 percent death rate. I do not want to die. So I am looking in a 
DIFFERENT direction. I am using the verses of the Bible to support my argument. 
Please do not respond to my arguments with the conventional take on death and 
immortality. I REJECT that interpretation. That should be obvious to you.


Also, please quit regurgitating the same tired old conventional cryo-wisdom that
has FAILED to grow cryonics as it needs to grow, and instead grasp the soul of 
america by its innards--by its religion, by its bible--and MAKE it happen.


As an example of the potential of this approach, I offer the jehovah's 
witnesses. This branch of protestantism (which numbers in the MILLIONS, I 
believe) is an outlier branch because it interprets certain bible verses to mean
that after the resurrection the righteous will live on the earth forever. But 
as for the agency of the resurrection, they look to the invisible man in the 
sky. Not real credible as far as I am concerned. 


With CRYONICS taking the place of the invisible man in the sky, the resurrection
becomes MUCH more credible in my eyes. Or if you wish, one may instead see 
cryonics and cryonicists as simply carrying out the will of god and making the 
resurrection happen. And if we take this approach--a science-based resurrection 
built on EARTHLY deeds (cryonics) that are aimed at carrying out the will of 
god, that is, to cause the resurrection and carry out god's will--the righteous 
(the cryonicists who are disciples of jesus and will help him in his battle 
against death) are the ones who will inherit the earth and live here FOREVER. If
american christians want to be righteous and live forever, as God wants them to
do, they will sign up for cryonics and help cryoncists fight death with Jesus.


Now go forth among your fellow man, be as a fisherman among your fellow man, 
fish for new cryonicists by preaching THAT sermon, mofos, and the number of 
cryonicists will multiply a thousand fold, as numerous as the fish in the sea. 

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