X-Message-Number: 31566 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:19:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Is this a circular argument From: Mathew Sullivan <> --000325579e82c024910466212164 Mark wrote: Nobody has left low Earth orbit since December 1972, almost 40 years ago. I have trouble seeing any plausible future where manned space travel resumes, mainly because of the tightening thermodynamic noose on humanity as the oil supplies decline and civilization has to power down. Reply: Let go of that oil-stained horse and buggy whip you are holding onto:) As of 2005, 86.5% of our energy came from the combustion of fossil fuels, preserved solar energy. Our sun produces 386 billion billion megaWatts of energy, so there is more than enough energy. Heck, if I had a Chevy Volt sitting in my garage, my first question would be, how long can I safely keep gasoline in my car before it goes bad? For those who don't know, Earth hour is Saturday the 28th, the day of this cryonet distribution. Non-essential lights off from 8:30 to 9:30 p.m. http://www.earthhour.org/home/ Also, sign up for the virtual march on Washington which is planned for April 1st through the 3rd. http://www.pickensplan.com/virtualmarch/ If it were up to me, I would take a greater portion of the stimulus money and use it in support of renewables to build a stronger energy economy here rather than spending roughly 700 billion a year on foreign oil. Doing so provides jobs, strengthens our economy, and reduces our national debt. Our energy policy should be treated as a wartime effort and some of those auto factories that are being shutdown should be re-tooled to make windmills and such. You may find this of interest: Firm vows to grow first flowers on the moon http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16858-firm-vows-to-grow-first-flowers-on-the-moon.html --000325579e82c024910466212164 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 [ AUTOMATICALLY SKIPPING HTML ENCODING! ] Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=31566