X-Message-Number: 31677
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 14:07:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Phil Ossifur <>
Subject: Note to AntiCult
I posted the following to AntiCult
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,64749,page=15
Anticult-- Just for perspective, you need to be aware that the science fiction
feelings are based on hard evidence that some organic tissue can indeed be
cryopreserved and then made to function again. The principle has been
demonstrated in bull semen for years for example. The idea behind cryonics is
that our memory, personality and mind is embedded somehow is perservable and
reanimatable brain structure. The cryonics option is based on "freeze, wait,
reanimate" because despite our not knowing if we have "captured" the mind or
cognitive data with cryonics, we're hoping we are-- and only future tech will
confirm or deny our thesis.
The way in which cryonicists feel that they have to present cryonics and
"defend" it from "me", for example, is in no way related-- theoreticall-- to the
valid component of cryonics. Cryobiology studies provide a fair basis for the
first look at cryonics.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cryobiology&btnG=Google+Search
Cryonics merely extends cryobiology to the human brain and human cognitive
function. As an anti-cult leader, it would be useful for you to confine your
critique of cryonics to the cult-like conduct of cryonicists, but to keep the
validity or questions about validity of the thesis itself in a separate
category. I'd like to see cryonics "cleaned up" of its cult component-- but it
doesn't do me any good to witness an anti-cult forum attack the THESIS of
cryonics-- which is pure and unadulterated in its composition as a thesis. In
any case, I would hope you would make it clear which aspect of cryonics you're
pointing at as invalid, carefully. The science of ultra low temperature
biology-- might actually have some functional demonstrable experiment awaiting
us-- say the preservation of some frontal cortex neurons of a newly legally
deceased individual that could theoretically be transplanted with fresh neuronal
stem cells into a new individual with some
positivie effect. Like any tech, abuse can occur-- however with the idea of
human dignity foremost in our minds, we might make some positive advance.
FD has seen me here and is claiming that I "associate myself with you"-- and
Cold Filter has not approved my counter post in that regard...
http://www.network54.com/Forum/291677/message/1242426850/The+%26quot%3BMeritorious%26quot%3B+%26quot%3BAnti-Cryonics+%26quot%3BAnti-Cult%26quot%3B+Forum
I represent a UNIQUE persepctive in cryonics-- so unique that cryonics groups
have banned me across the board. When you attack the cryonics thesis itself, it
makes more trouble for me. I'm being suppressed beyond belief. And now I'm being
painted as associating with you... and you're obviously anti-cryonics-thesis as
well as anti-cult-cryonics-- so it's just snowballing as one big mess. This
will be my last post here-- because I can't afford to have this type of
mischaracterization and off-point posting and association go on anymore.
It's kind of interesting, from my perspective, to stand on a point where not a
single Earth bound human being shares my valid persepctive. Mark Plus used to
talk about the positive aspects of being a well-differentiated person. I guess I
am that... but it creates unique problems too, not the least of which is
attacks by Mark Plus-- who said earlier he ADMIRED self-differentiation!!
To other readers-- I am not associating with Rick Ross and the cult forum-- I
merely have found an audience for documenting the attacks on me by Cold Filter
posters and CADC/SDC... which documents actually make it to google blogsearch
under keyword cryonics no less!!! - but I have made my point sufficiently now--
hopefully this post will be approved and I would now take permanent leave--
since I'm not in favor of attacking the cryonics thesis itself-- which I
consider to have validity. Thank you for your consideration.
It really is hard work being highly differentiated. I almost would not advise
it... and would recommend that it's easier to be "part of a cult". Just
kiddding.
[I'm publishing this to Cryonet because AntiCult does approval only posting and
it may take a day for this to be posted there-- sometimes my message is not
posted at all-- as with Cold Filter).
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