X-Message-Number: 31699
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 06:35:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Phil Ossifur <>
Subject: Discussion is over because... 


....because cryonicists deny the existence of the mind-- which is the single 
most astonishing discovery I've made through this process of internet 
conversations since the late 1990s through forums and blogs. 


The very thing one would think that cryonicists are interested in maintaining-- 
the mind-- is denied to exist. We see this as of late-- in the email responses 
by unperson to my posts here in cryonet... absolute NO reference to the 
content-- only to the number of posts. We see it in FD in his continual 
malignment of Larouche with NO reference to ANY point Larouche makes-- as if the
argument does not exist-- only that "the effect of saying the word Larouche" is
the issue-- but never the content. This is pure behaviourism. Mark Plus 
continues to badger with using a real name-- hoping "the effect" of that will 
stop me from writing-- again without attempting to reason through the issues I 
present. 


The rest of the cryonicists are silent or discussing things underground-- in 
private lists without reporting to the surface. The language used by cryonicists
is engendering attacks by Rick Ross-- for example-- that language and semantic 
framing by cryonics being presumptive but used by cryonicists as real... which 
it might be-- but it should be stated conditionallly. 


Dave Pizer gave me a book to read "Words That Work", showing that he too is a 
behaviorist concerned with "the effect of words" rather than "the meaning" of 
words. The behaviorist psychology denies the very existence of mind. The 
cryonics hypothesis does say that we base our work on the idea that personality 
and memory are embedded in preservable and potentially reanimatable brain 
structure but even that denies the presence of mind, and therefore of "the 
person". It didn't have to be this way. I would advise cryonics councils, 
underground, or boards, or wherever cryonicist meet-- to recognize this as a 
problem... that the day cryonics recognizes the mind-- and treats human beings 
like people-- is the day cryonics will become acceptable in larger in the larger
population. I can advise them on that.


Christianity has been packaged in a myth, but we'll now dispense with that myth,
as we do in Christian Humanism which is a principle, not a religion. It's 
scientifically provable that man exceeds his ecological boundaries by setting up
conditions for the increase of human population beyond what nature provides by 
itself. No animal can do that. Unperson points to fireants destroying 
environments as "affecting" environments in response to my statement about 
humans changing the universe-- a retort that denies that anti-entropic work of 
humans. 


Rick Ross now says cryonics is a cult-- but I tried to point out to him that 
there is a cult component... and there is a valid component to cryonics. He 
doesn't appear to be listening to me by restating my point. So-- there's no 
point in discussing that further. 


FD continues to ignore the power requirements for civilization-- and the 
neccessity of writing off toxic paper... denying that the economy at large 
provides the path for progress in everything in including cryonics. He never 
ever addresses a point I make informed by Larouche. His myopic attitude is not 
only stupid but dangerous-- and he recently supported the attack-dog work by 
StopDefamingCryonics which set up entire blogs attacking me-- again without 
debating any POINT I made-- proving again that cryonicists are behaviorists. 


Brian Wowk is a inside cryonists of importance and does nothing online but 
respond to Imminst.org posts, never posting on his own. This indicates another 
form of control since it's obvious he's not publishing for open discussion but 
publishing for control of the stated views on Imminst.org. Mark voelker, now at 
Paul Segall's Biotime, was instrumental in refsuing membership to me in 
Venturists-- an astonishing move that again points to severe deficiencies in 
moral aptitude in cryonicists. It goes on and on. But what is the basis for ALL 
these mistakes? It's the denial of the mind. So what is the mind? That's what 
I'll leave cryonet with-- finally... what is the mind? And for that, I steer you
to none other than Larouche of course... 


It's fitting that THIS be my last cryonet post-- despite the ridicule I've been 
getting-- but again-- the mind is a tricky thing to get a hold of-- and when I 
say I'm making my last post it's because it feels like that-- and now it feels 
like that more than ever... because the following link is a PDF for you to print
out... and I would say it's a follow up to my article in Cryonics magazine in 
2002-- it points out the MOST IMPORTANT functional problem with cryonics-- not 
that it's a cult or uses wrong lanagues or freezes people against family wishes 
etc... the MOST IMPORTANT problem cryonics has today-- is-- that it denies the 
existence of the human mind. THAT is a paradox, since the human mind is EXACTLY 
what I thought we were trying to maintain through the cryonics process. 


If cryonics has been taken over by a cult, it's the cult of BEHAVIORISTS who 
have brainwashed all newbies and all sign ups... into their behaviorist 
religion. There IS a new possibility for cryonics however. And THAT will be 
initiated-- by THIS following article-- THIS is MY introduction to CRYONICS 
2.0-----

THE PRINCIPLE OF MIND

http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2009/2009_10-19/2009-13/pdf/04-27_3613.pdf


Discussion on this is impossible with BEHAVIORISTS because they deny the very 
existence of the thing we're discussing. This article is the seed crystal that 
will transform cryonics over coming times. Print it out, read it, keep it. 
Unless we use THIS as our starting point, as cryonicists, there is NO FUTURE for
us. NOW, I think I'm done posting here-- because to post AFTER this would "ruin
the effect" of it-- and if I understand ANYTHING about behaviorists, it's that 
"the effect" is the most important thing. 

PhilOssifur. May 28, 2009. 

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