X-Message-Number: 31707 From: "John de Rivaz" <> References: <> Subject: Cryonet post - Time Travel Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:17:14 +0100 That is a simulation. It is possible now by any individual by just imagining the situation -- your brain is the computer. Physical time travel to the past may or may not be possible, but there are paradoxes generated if it could be done. However it is not needed to rescue non-cryonicists who have died. What is needed may be impossible as well, but it is "transmitterless reception from the past". Then you can get "program and data" to rebuild them. "Transmitterless reception from the past" generates no paradoxes, so the physics ought to be much simpler than time travel or indeed "receiverless transmission **to** the past". The latter, for example, could be used to transmit circuit diagrams to the past so that electronics engineers could save time inventing circuits. But if no one really invents them how to they exist? No such anomalies exist with "Transmitterless reception from the past". -- Sincerely, John de Rivaz: http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy, Nomad .. and more ----- Original Message ----- From: david pizer To: Cryonet Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:55 AM Subject: [Venturists] Cryonet post - Time Travel TIME TRAVEL (To the Past) BY: David Pizer (We know how to travel to the future - Have your mind (brain) frozen-vitrified now and reanimated sometime in the future. However, time travel to the past seems a little more difficult. Following is one possibility). =============================== There are at least two reasons why people might like to travel to the past that I can think of: One is to rescue loved ones (or others), and two is to see what it was really like aC back then.aC Here is a very rough draft presentation on the idea of the project I have in mind on how to try to get into the past - at least as far as dealing with past humans goes *for the two reasons above.* Any suggestions on this will appreciated. ======================================== 1. TOOLS NEEDED: In the future we will build computers that build computers that build computers that build computers, and so on and so forth, until we end up with very powerful aC end-productaC computers. My idea of end-product computers are computers that donaC t build other computers but do some other type of work. One of the things that I think these end-product computers will be able to do is to make a complete simulation of all things relative to human beings on the Planet Earth and every human (and human brain) alive at the time of the start of this project. (By the way, to give you an idea of the power of this computer, this end product computer may be as big as a solar system or single galaxy [or bigger] but that is not so big when considering the size of the Universe). 2. MEASUREMENTS: Once we have measured every human brain and all other things relating to the Human Race on Earth at the starting point time of the project, we then place this data in our computer, and instruct it to start to work. 3. HOW IT WORKS: Every effect has a cause. Once we know how things are at a certain time, (AKA: the effects of immediate causes), our computer can figure how things were, say, one second before that time, by figuring out what had to have caused that last effect. Then one second before that time and so on working one second at a time backwards. You take a point in time, (an effect of a cause in the immediate time before that), and then the computer figures the cause of that effect and has arrived one second back in time. That cause is the effect of a previous cause. That previous cause in an effect of an even previous cause and so on backwards in time. If the computer knows some other things and the composition of all the human brains at any certain time, aC the starting time of the project,aC then the computer can figure how things were one second earlier because there had to be a cause for each effect. And each cause is just an effect of a previous cause. So we just keep working backwards creating a simulated human race and each mind/brain, that mirrors each of the individual minds in The Human Race going back in time. Of course the computer needs to work fast so that it can figure many seconds earlier (minutes and hours, in fact) in a fraction of a second. So, for instance, it will take the computer much less then a year to figure how things were in all the human minds, and all things relating to the Human Race all over the planer Earth, a year earlier. (Even if it is a little slower, it is still worth doing, as humans in the future (by the time we can build this computer) will be virtually immortal and will have lots of time to work on projects like this. So we can create a virtual world at every second, minute, hour, day, week, year and century going back in time by taking a snapshot, then figuring what the causes were of that situation (effect of that cause) and then going back to the immediate previous situation was, and knowing that situation by figuring what it had to be like for the specific effect that followed and work our way back to the first people in the beginning of the Human Race. 4. A MIND IS MERELY INFORMATION. In this virtual world that has been created (inside the computer working back in time with effect and cause method), are simulated people (that mirror the real people the existed back then), with the information in each simulated virtual personaC s brain that comprises their mind. At any time we can copy the information relating to any persons mind that is in the simulation and then recreate that personaC s mind/brain (and body if we want) and make a duplicate of that person and put them in our current world, therefore rescuing that person. aC Welcome back Grandpa!aC 5. LETaC S GO ON A TRIP: At any time, we can ask the computer to make a copy of the world at a certain time, and then insert ourselves (or for safety - a duplicate of ourselves), in the copy of the world at that time and we are now virtually traveling in that past time period. __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar MARKETPLACE $9000/Month at Home. Learn how Part Time, online!. I made $5,827 last week.. Find out How. Part Time!. Mom Power: Discover the community of moms doing more for their families, for the world and for each other Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity Visit Your Group Search Ads Get new customers. List your web site in Yahoo! Search. Yahoo! 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