X-Message-Number: 3187 From: Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 20:21:30 EDT Subject: SCI. CRYONICS more Hayflick A litle more on Leonard Hayflick's book, "How and Why We Age": Hayflick says that "Aging Is Not a Disease." In fact, that is the title of a chapter. Calls to mind the old saw: "Good health is having the same diseases as your neighbors." (And mental health is having the same delusions as your neighbors.) And of course, if aging is not a disease, then people who die of old age die healthy. Hayflick speaks of "normal" aging. Of course, the word "normal" is commonly used in two different ways. It can mean "usual" or "ordinary," and in this sense aging is indeed "normal" in these primitive times. But it is also used to mean right or correct or healthy, as the etymology suggests. And not everyone will agree that something that kills you is right or healthy, even if everyone has it. In fact, Nobel laureate biologist Joshua Lederberg has given us a different and refreshingly sensible definition of disease--namely "any deficit relative to a desired norm." He didn't say so, but this means that not only is (say) pneumonia a disease, but also the susceptibility to it; not only is schizophrenia a disease, but also stupidity. And as for aging...enough said. Hayflick also says there is no such thing as "abnormal aging." Guess he forgot about progeria, early onset (even in childhood) of symptoms of senescence (also called Hutchinson-Gilford syndrome.) Maybe he needs some piracetam. Robert Ettinger Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=3187