X-Message-Number: 31889 From: Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:41:53 EDT Subject: Re: Life extentionists dying at 69 If these statistics really hold up for larger numbers of people, they are a strong argument *against* supplementation. Setting aside growth hormone and brain cancer, it's still bad to die of cancer at age 69. At age 60, life expectancy is around 22 years, or 82. So 69 is very young. The lack of heart disease is nothing to boast of if cancer kills you that early. I hope these numbers prove to be skewed. All this shows the need for proper studies with single supplements and control groups. Alan Mole In a message dated 8/20/2009 3:01:24 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, writes: CryoNet - Thu 20 Aug 2009 #31887: Re: CryoNet #31884 - #31886 [ThomasCarter499] Rate This Digest: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=31887%2D31887 Administrivia To subscribe to CryoNet, send email to: with the subject line (not message _body_): subscribe To unsubscribe, use the subject line: unsubscribe To post a message to CryoNet, send your message to: (Note: A "Subject:" line starting the message body replaces the "Subject:" line in the header. This gives a second opportunity to provide a meaningful subject line.) Since all CryoNet messages are archived and accessible via WWW, including search engines, make certain that your postings reflect how you want the world to see you. To retrieve past messages, send email to: with the message numbers in the subject line. (Message 0003 describes the advanced syntax.) You also can retrieve them via the CryoNet web page at URL: http://www.cryonet.org/ For administrative or other questions/suggestions, send email to me at "" with "cryonics" in the subject line. - Kevin Q. Brown Message #31887 From: Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:11:50 EDT Subject: Re: CryoNet #31884 - #31886 Content-Language: en Hi, I know of only 12 life extentionists who have died or contracted some serious age related disease. 11 had cancer with nine dying of it, or complications related to it. One, Jim Fixx, the jogger, died of congenital heart disease at age 52, and was not known to have used supplements or a healthy diet. As of aC 09 the record shows 11 cases of age related cancer, and no cases of another age related disease. The cancer deaths are strangely grouped very closely to age 69. Three are deaths due to brain cancer, and all three presumably took growth hormone. Mintz claimed to, while South and Donaldson wrote an article and a book praising its use. Saul Kent has apparently survived a brian tumor. Niether the 11 cancers vs no other age related diseases nor the four brain tumors can be conincidences. The obvious conclusions are, growth hormone causes brain cancer, and the supplemental, and life style regimens developed in the aC~90aC s are greatly more efficous against vascular diseases than cancers. On these data alone the efficacy could be strongly negative on cancer while being null on vascular disease, or null/negative on cancer while being positive on heart disease. No affect on both is statistically very, let me say very, very, unlikely. The literature as a whole is conclusive that life style and supplements protect against vascular disease which would rule out the former possibility. The take home message is to continue or adopt the life style/supplementation regimens popular in the late 90aC s and look for more modern interventions that protect against cancer. These would be low calorie diets featuring carrots, apples, cruciferous veggies, and tomato juice simmered for one hour with olive oil. Hi green tea consumption or extracts for women, (very hi for men), milk thistle, vitamin K2, turmeric or curcumen, and fish oil. All of these have been strongly documented in medically accepted literature except green tea and curcumen which are on the verge of being further documented if ongoing trials report positively. Below is a complete list of all the examples I know of. Can anyone add to it? Public or private examples. I particulary seek falsifying examples i e age related vascular diseases. It looks like the table may not come thru well. Each entry consists of the name, age of death if known, D or L for dead or alive, the condition the have or died of, and the regimen the presumptuously used. Thomas Name /age at death Condition L/D Regimen Adelle Davis 70 D bone can Diet, supplements Allan Mintz 69 D brain can growth hormone Ben Hess L neck can many supplements Christopher Heward ? D esophageal can Many supplements FM-2030 70 D pancreatic can ? James South 62 D brain can growth hormone, many supplements Jim Fixx 52 D congential heart disease Jogging Linus Pauling 93 D prostate can vitamin C Mrs. Pauling 76 D stomach can vitamin C Nathan Pritkin 69 D Leukemia/suicide Diet, exercise Saul Kent L brain tumor? Many supplements Thomas Donaldson 61 D brain can many supplements, growth hormone Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" [ AUTOMATICALLY SKIPPING HTML ENCODING! ] Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=31889