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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:57:41 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Larry Johnson story publicity
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In my opinion, one lesson I wish Alcor's Board would draw is never to hire
non-cryonicists.
Yet it is even now bent on looking for a new chief, none of whose minimum
qualifications include being a cryonicist.
If someone doesn't believe in cryonics enough to sign up for it when they can,
their only possible attitude toward it, whether they would confess it to their
employers or not, is disbelief, and thus their working on behalf of it is fraud
and their attitude toward cryonicists is somewhere between amused condescension
and fierce contempt. A really awful combination which explains some of the
employee turnover and betrayals.
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#32030: google news search for cryonics [rr ss]
#32031: Larry Johnson story publicity [david pizer]
#32032: Re: [venturist_directors - special messages] Larry Johnson [Mike
Perry]
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Message #32030
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 05:29:43 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: google news search for cryonics
there are a lot of news story on this ted williams thing:
http://news.google.com/news?client=opera&rls=en&q=ted%20williams&sourceid=opera&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wn
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Message #32031
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:32:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: david pizer <>
Subject: Larry Johnson story publicity
Now is the time for all cryoncists to remain calm. With a well thought out plan
we cryonicists can use this public attention to explain our philosophy and
goals and therefore advance cryonics to those people who matter.
When I was arrested in 1988, with 5 others, for trying to protect Alcor's
patient, Dora Kent, the press was also miss-informed and antagonistic towards
cryonics - at least at first. Those of us on the Board and in management at
that time used all that press attention to create more interest and membership
in cryonics and to build public support for our cause. The Dora Kent situation
was followed by one of the highest membership gain percentages in our history,
along with donations from people, some who were not cryoncists.
The main strategy that worked then, and can work now, is to answer all requests
for interviews, tell the truth about the goals of cryonics, and remain calm. We
are the good people. We are the ones doing the right things. We hold the
moral high ground.
We have a golden opportunity to carefully and respectfully engage the press and
have access to hundreds of millions of people, some of them open minded free
thinkers who don't want to die. With proper management of this situation we can
use this opportunity to gather hundreds, perhaps thousands, of new members.
Again = We are the good people. We are the ones doing the right things. We
hold the moral high ground. The only mistake here will be if we don't use this
opportunity to properly explain cryonics to all the people who are now (for the
moment at least) paying attention to cryonics.
David Pizer
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Message #32032
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:43:07 -0700
From: Mike Perry <>
Subject: Re: [venturist_directors - special messages] Larry Johnson
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I think we are the good people and have the moral high ground, as
David says. However, it is worthwhile to take a good look at the book
itself too, before we just assume it will work in our favor. I see
Mark Plus has gotten a copy--I ordered one over the Internet.
MeanwhiIe I looked at the book as best I could at the Amazon website
(you can "look inside"). Naturally they won't let you read it all
that way but you can get a pretty good feel for what it contains. I
would say it's something like Mothermelters only longer, more
detailed, and covers more cryonics history, all from a hostile point
of view of course. Venturists are compared to the Branch Davidians.
Some rather personal details of some of our lives are there. Johnson
did a lot of surreptitious taping at the lab in 2003 and has
transcripts that deal with an alleged case of euthanasia (not Dora
Kent). I'm sure that he also worked with Alan Kunzman who showed him
the files he had--he claimed in Mothermelters that he could have
written a much longer book than he did. Anyway it will pose a
challenge for us. I'm not sure how it will affect day-to-day matters
at the lab, one would like to think not much but we'll have to see.
Shannon, I hope things are going well. Thanks for being with us on this.
Mike
At 10:32 2009/10/04, david pizer wrote:
>
>
>Now is the time for all cryoncists to remain calm. With a well
>thought out plan we cryonicists can use this public attention to
>explain our philosophy and goals and therefore advance cryonics to
>those people who matter.
>
>When I was arrested in 1988, with 5 others, for trying to protect
>Alcor's patient, Dora Kent, the press was also miss-informed and
>antagonistic towards cryonics - at least at first. Those of us on
>the Board and in management at that time used all that press
>attention to create more interest and membership in cryonics and to
>build public support for our cause. The Dora Kent situation was
>followed by one of the highest membership gain percentages in our
>history, along with donations from people, some who were not cryoncists.
>
>The main strategy that worked then, and can work now, is to answer
>all requests for interviews, tell the truth about the goals of
>cryonics, and remain calm. We are the good people. We are the ones
>doing the right things. We hold the moral high ground.
>
>We have a golden opportunity to carefully and respectfully engage
>the press and have access to hundreds of millions of people, some of
>them open minded free thinkers who don't want to die. With proper
>management of this situation we can use this opportunity to gather
>hundreds, perhaps thousands, of new members.
>
>Again = We are the good people. We are the ones doing the right
>things. We hold the moral high ground. The only mistake here will be
>if we don't use this opportunity to properly explain cryonics to all
>the people who are now (for the moment at least) paying attention to cryonics.
>
>David Pizer
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