X-Message-Number: 32068
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:55:26 -0700
Subject: Re: Melody's comments
From: Keith Henson <>

Tripper McCarthy's comments and questions are good.  I have a few more.

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:29:35 +0000 (UTC)
From: Melody%20Maxim <>
Subject: Re: CryoNet #32065

snip

>Then, there
>was the time Alcor tried to pass off a ball peen hammer as a medical mallet.

That wasn't needed.  The problem is explaining why it is ok to use
ordinary tools when people are frozen to LN2 temperature.
Microorganisms just are not a problem at that temperature.  And any
technology up to recovering someone will not have any problem sorting
the patient out from other stuff.

snip

>pouring
>biohazardous waste down city sewer systems,

Melody, think about it.  Every time you flush the toilet biohazard
waste goes down the city sewer system.  It's the function of sewers
and treatment plants to accept such waste and make it safe.

I remember one suspension I was on, an HIV patient in SF.  We had done
a remote washout at a mortuary and the team was about to drive several
hundred miles with a large bag of HIV contaminate blood and washout
solution.  A wreck could have broken the bag and showered everyone.  I
pulled out the bag and some bleach and took it to the mortuary prep
room, dumped it into a sink and was stopped by an attendant who
wondered what the bleach was for.  When I explained, he told me that
the blood from several hundred HIV patients had gone down that very
drain into the sewer without treatment or causing problems.

snip

> Do the people reading
>Cryonet realize open heart surgery and perfusion have not been around much

>longer than cryonics? (Yet, look at the disparity in progress, between these 
two
>fields!)

Consider the relative numbers of cases.

The worse thing that happens is to pump air.  Not good since it can
block parts of the brain from good perfusion.  It never happened on
any of the cases I was on.

Keith

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