X-Message-Number: 3207
Date: 03 Oct 94 00:30:24 EDT
From: Mike Darwin <>
Subject: SCI.CRYONICS Merkle's thoughts on Hayflick

Ralph, wherever did you get the notion that Hayflick was the first to address
cryonics either in the way he has or in the kind of book he has written?!!!!! I
have MANY books in my library on every subject from biomedical engineering to
cryobiology (popular) some of which have WHOLE CHAPTERS on cryonics, some of
which even say semi-positive, luke warm, favorable things about cryonics.  Good
heaven Ralph!  What cave of a library do you go to :).

And, if you want nasty asides about cryonics in books, even textbooks, I can
provide some of those too.  Jerry Leaf made a habit of collecting these things
and he left his collection to me, plus the ones I already have.  Academics have
long commented on cryonics, hell Theodore Malinin M.D., even wrote a position
paper editorial for the JAMA on it when I was teenager! (Please, don't ask me
for the cite, I don't have it, but I remember vividly where I saw it first;
in the reception room of my personal M.D.'s office.

Indeed, sometime ago in MAN INTO SUPERMAN Bob Ettinger even had a whole section
of quotes (and Bob's rebuttal) from famous critics like Asimov.  Hayflick's

book is no breakthrough, it is more of the same drivel I have seen in everything
from encylopaedias to childrens' books  to you name it, for nearly three
decades!

And, as to all the commentary about Hayflick's book on Cryonet, I thought Bob
Ettinger did a fine job of skewering the a**hole.  It should have been left at
that.  And that is where I leave it.

Mike Darwin

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