X-Message-Number: 3227
Subject: CRYONICS: The Carlos and David show.
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 1994 20:36:29 -0400
From: "Perry E. Metzger" <>

> From: 

[More insinuations about CSNY removed -- in particular, comments to
the effect that CSNY was run by criminals.]

David, I'm going to be blunt and public here.

Its obvious to all long term observers that you are on a campaign to
smear Saul Kent whenever the opportunity arises. It is also painfully
obvious to all long term observers that you are not a free agent but a
puppet of your lover, Carlos Mondragon, who appears to be still bitter
about the fight at Alcor me time ago in which he lost his job as
President as a result of lobbying by Saul. These vague innuendos about
Saul have been posted not just here but all over the network,
including a large number of postings made on sci.life-extension that
were transparently designed to try to hurt Saul's business interests.

Might I suggest that there is absolutely no excuse for this infantile
behavior in public? If Carlos wants to post lies about Saul, he should
do it himself, without using puppets, and should be explicit about it,
instead of perpetually asking you to post veiled accusations.

As for your current vague commentary in which you accuse Saul, in an
indirect way, of criminal behavior when he ran CSNY, the facts of the
case hare very well known. On a personal level, I barely know Saul. I
have spoken to the man perhaps twice in the last year. I have very
little personal knowledge of whether he is a good or a bad
person. However, I am damn certain that the reason CSNY's patients
thawed was that their families stopped paying to keep them on ice, and
I'm damn certain that thats not even remotely like the outright fraud
Nelson committed in which he allowed patients to thaw even while
taking money for them. 

The incessant stream of snipes that you send out are a sophomoric and
obvious attempt at revenge. All other players in the Alcor and later
Alcor vs. Cryocare have buried the hatchet and gone on with their
lives, and are even on good terms, but apparently Carlos must spend
huge amounts of his time thinking about Saul -- probably far more than
Saul or anyone else (other than you) thinks about Carlos.

I'm not an attorney, but I'd say that Saul has good cause to sue both
you and Carlos for libel. The statements you make are ones that you
know to be false and that you have made maliciously with the willfull
intent to damage his reputation, which is more or less the definition
of a libelous accusationi.

And repeating, no, Saul has not put me up to posting this. I've spoken
with him once in the last eight months -- he called me to ask if I was
coming to the conference being held in Southern California, and I told
him that I didn't have time. I don't know Saul particularly well.
However, I'm sick of your preschool antics here on the Cryonics
mailing list. Grow up.

Perry Metzger

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