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From: "Warren Keevers" <>
Subject: =?windows-1255?Q?uppity_cryonet_members=FE?=
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:09:38 +1000

Hello,

My name is warren, and I have been on your mailing list now for a few years,
just lurking..

I wasn't going to ever really post here as I was just interested in cryonics
and thought it would be interesting to read up on what you all have to say.


Sincerely disappointed! I won't mention any names but the last straw was
being called a "lousy parent” because I simply haven't signed my kids up. 

I thought the majority of you would be a little more mature, and intelligent
enough to realize that what you are trying to achieve has at the very best a
one in a million chance of working at this point in time. Again at the very
best! Which is usually admirable but you lot have lost your way, if you
really ever had one. I do realize cryonics is possible, of course it is, as
we all know nature does it, do you really think most people don't know
that?? 

At first I thought I would see a lot of posts by people showing experiments
that you have done (and in your defense there are some in your group doing
this, but they are sadly the minority), maybe even some scientific
breakthroughs which the people in cryonics have made, generally speaking a
bunch science type people all working together to achieve a working end
result, but no, all I am seeing is a bunch of self absorbed fools setting up
trust funds (or whatever they are) so they will have money in a future that
supposedly has the ability to repair the human body on a cellular level.
Hate to reign in on your parade but if people in the future can do that,
then your money will mean NOTHING! 

I'm also wondering (and I know this is a little off topic), but are you all
just waiting for Jesus to come back to earth, sorry, I mean the singularity
(I get them mixed up all the time ; ) ), so you can just leach of the
technological advancements achieved? Why not do something fruitful and
instead of pouring all that money into a glorified freezer. Why not start
contributing to the world today? If as some of you believe, your pseudo
immortality depends upon this singularity then why not start putting some
money into AI? Or maybe spend some real money as a group on something other
than liquid nitrogen and a tank. You freeze people then expect the future
people to do all the work for you, If I was one of these people in the
future, id shoot your body straight into the sun simply because your too
lazy to make a real contribution to the human race. There are so many
variables in your pipe dream, but then you all know that don't you? 

When I think of cryonics now and specifically your group, I think of a
religious organization, because in all honesty you are closer to that then
any other category, you have a belief and you think that anyone who
disagrees with you is wrong and/or simply beneath you. Might I remind of you
of the scientific method, or does science have no bearing in this group? 

Another thing, you want to know why people aren't signing up, its because
cryonics at this point in time for humans has, as I said before, at best a
one in a million chance of working, I believe that id have just as much
chance of going to heaven (or hell.. lol) as waking up after being frozen
with liquid nitrogen, and none of you can prove this incorrect. All I've
been reading lately is badger data this, badger data that, blah blah blah.
You are (generally speaking) in my opinion more interested in marketing than
science or for that matter, actually doing something!

I am a programmer and have been interested in AI and robotics for some time,
so you know what I did, I started learning about it, I started working on
it. Instead of trying to recruit people, instead of preaching how good it
will be when it happens, I sat down and tried to do it, needless to say I
failed, and needless to say it most likely won't be me that does create an
AI robot. But If I were to take the approach that most of your group in
cryonics is currently taking I'd duct tape a computer to a Lego man and then
try to sell it to the people as a artificially intelligent robot. Then I
would probably get really annoyed because no one is buying it. Maybe I can
refer to the badger data, it will most likely tell me that people are too
stupid to realize what I am selling and if they did have the brains, they
would be too gutless to sign up because their friends would think them
idiots. Hrrrm maybe it's a bad analogy (it's hard to find one that fits).. I
know, put the laptop duct taped to a Lego man in liquid nitrogen, then the
future people can turn him into a real robot and send him back to me, using
time travel of course, How many of you want one? I'll sell them to you for
$5000 each. 

In conclusion

The real pioneers/hero's of cryonics and many other fields are the
scientists working in genetics, nanotechnology, the inventors, the ones
actually advancing our knowledge, but most definitely not a group of people
selling a dream.

Your alive now, make the most of it. You can have a dream there isn't
anything wrong with that, but don't make it an obsession, and don't belittle
those who don't agree with you.

Best Regards

Warren

 

 



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