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From: "John de Rivaz" <>
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Subject: Re: NewYorker letter regarding "Ice Man"
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:30:59 -0000

Mr Harvey would find it cheaper to join CI (he need not execute a contract
to be cryopreserved if he considers it immoral -- becoming a member just
gives the right to engage in such a contract if you want).

One off fee $1250 plus one off tissue storage fee approx $100 total $1350.

Investing $1350 at for example 3% after tax (not sure if this is even
possible at the moment) would produce $40 year -- much less than he says the
cattle people are charging him. Also once he is annihilated, the oysters
will live on, maybe to be reanimated hundreds or even thousands of years in
the future if CI survives that long. If he leaves them where they are, his
successors will probably cease paying the cattle company and they will be
obliterated.

Its funny what people think. I wonder whether Harvey's idea that cryonics is
"immoral" stems from any deep thought and understanding about present and
future technological capabilities. Or whether really he has given it no
proper thought, and his equating it with activities such as bonking other
people's spouses is really just a load of bollocks :-) I wonder if he feels
it immoral to have any speculative and expensive medical treatment in the
hope that it might cure a terminal condition?

Maybe the fact that he wrote the letter is because some tiny part of him
wonders whether cryonics might be a sensible idea, but he doesn't want to
admit it because he may get the same reaction Simon Cowell did.

-- 
Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and
more

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 07:37:33 -0700
Subject: NewYorker letter regarding "Ice Man"
From: MARK PLUS <>

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/letters/2010/02/15/100215mama_mail2

February 15, 2010

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I still pay a cattle-breeding center over a hundred dollars
a year to maintain a few oyster embryos in liquid nitrogen. They look
like hairy microscopic volleyballs. I froze them twenty-five years
ago, and they have no conceivable value or use, but if you plunge them
in seawater they'll wake up, those little hairs will start to beat,
and off they'll swim. So, yes, freezing corpses and taking money to do
it is pathetic and immoral-but I still can't bring myself to flush my
tiny sleeping oysters.


Brian Harvey

Victoria, B.C.
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