X-Message-Number: 32574
From: "John de Rivaz" <>
Subject: Re: migration for cryonics
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 18:00:55 +0100


Yvan Bozzonetti asks what are the problems with regards to building a cryonics 
facility in the UK, particularly with regards to law, technology or money.


I don't think that there is any specific law against cryonics as there may be in
some countries.


To an extent these three are all interleaved. Undoubtedly there would be vast 
sums of money to be taken for compliance costs which may make it more the 
difficult to find what is needed for buying a building, equiping it, and 
endowing a fund to pay staff. The costs of a caretaker could be avoided by 
siting it near someone willing to do it for free, but then once he is under 
cryopreservation there may not be anyone else in the same area. 


I think it will only happen if there are professionals who are comitted 
cryonicists and who can do the compliance work for the good of the group and are
willing to advance the project with the determination and enthusiasm it would 
need. This would need to be way beyond the determination and enthusiasm that 
they would put into normal fee account work. 


There was a building produced in Sussex in the 1980s for Alcor to do 
preparations, but unfortunately for various reasons it was sold and the project 
is unlikely to be repeated. The amount of money required to repeat even this 
would be ten times or more now.


Ideally, a facility should be able to prepare and store people in 
cryopreservation, but also have another activity that earns money. In the USA, 
this is legally difficult - some say impossible - without any legal the risks 
from the other activity putting the patients at risk. This is due to the 
dilution of the limited liability laws with regards to linked businesses. It may
well be that similar provisions in UK law would make this difficult. If this is
so, then it would be expensive and wasteful to have the facility being unused 
or underused for long periods. 


As far as technology is concerned, this is not an issue at all. We are all on 
the same planet and can therefore get the equipment. As far as I know liquid 
nitrogen is available in most parts of the UK. You can certainly get it in 
Cornwall, which is considered to be remote by some people. Therefore southern 
counties nearer population centres in France should be well supplied with liquid
nitrogen. Most of not all southern counties in the UK have ferry links to 
France (and one to Spain).


There is already a cryonics facility in Russia which is accessible from Europe 
without the unreliability of air transport.
http://www.kriorus.com

(click on the union flag at the bottom of the page to get an English 
translation.)


If a facility did appear in the UK, Kriorus would be older and longer 
established!

-- 
Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and
more
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  Message #32573
  Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:39:10 +0200
  Subject: Re: migration for cryonics
  From: yvan Bozzonetti <>

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  > From: "John de Rivaz" <>
  > Subject: migration for cryonics
  > <...>
  >
  What would be the biggest problem for building a  cryonics facility in UK?
  Law, technology? money?,...

  Yvan Bozzonetti






Yvan Bozzonetti asks what are the problems with regards to building a cryonics 
facility in the UK, particularly with regards to law, technology or money.


I don't think that there is any specific law against cryonics as there may be in
some countries.


To an extent these three are all interleaved. Undoubtedly there would be vast 
sums of money to be taken for compliance costs which may make it more the 
difficult to find what is needed for buying a building, equiping it, and 
endowing a fund to pay staff. The costs of a caretaker could be avoided by 
siting it near someone willing to do it for free, but then once he is under 
cryopreservation there may not be anyone else in the same area. 


I think it will only happen if there are professionals who can do the compliance
work for the good of the group and are willing to advance the project with the 
determination and enthusiasm it would need. There was a building produced in 
Sussex in the 1980s for Alcor to do preparations, but unfortunately for various 
reasons it was sold and the project is unlikely to be repeated. The amount of 
money required to repeat even this would be ten times or more now.


Ideally, a facility should be able to prepare and store people in 
cryopreservation, but also have another activity that earns money. In the USA, 
this is legally difficult - some say impossible - without any legal the risks 
from the other activity putting the patients at risk. This is due to the 
dilution of the limited liability laws with regards to linked businesses. It may
well be that similar provisions in UK law would make this difficult. If this is
so, then it would be expensive and wasteful to have the facility being unused 
or underused for long periods. 


As far as technology is concerned, this is not an issue at all. We are all on 
the same planet and can therefore get the equipment. As far as I know liquid 
nitrogen is available in most parts of the UK. You can certainly get it in 
Cornwall, which is considered to be remote by some people. Therefore southern 
counties nearer population centres in France should be well supplied with liquid
nitrogen. Most of not all southern counties in the UK have ferry links to 
France (and one to Spain).


There is already a cryonics facility in Russia which is accessible from Europe 
without the unreliability of air transport.
http://www.kriorus.com


-- 
Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and
more
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  Message #32573
  Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:39:10 +0200
  Subject: Re: migration for cryonics
  From: yvan Bozzonetti <>

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  > From: "John de Rivaz" <>
  > Subject: migration for cryonics
  > <...>
  >
  What would be the biggest problem for building a  cryonics facility in UK?
  Law, technology? money?,...

  Yvan Bozzonetti


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