X-Message-Number: 32705 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:13:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Subject: Re: Guilty for existing? http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2010/07/11/magazine/11cryonics-t.html?permid=142#comment142 now as a slidely abridged comment: As a health care professional who has been involved in many "codes" over the last quarter century, I can tell you that lack of oxygen to the brain for more than five minutes, unless extreme circumstances like cold water drowning are involved, results in permanent damage even if the person is revived. Newborns deprived of oxygen often suffer cerebral palsy, older patients often suffer cognitive losses of varying degrees... To think that brain damage would not occur in cryo-preserved brains, even if they could be revived is absurd... Above paragraph containing a comment from someone reading Until Cryonics Do Us Part, by Kerry Howley, 5 July, 2010. However, it's so very easy to overlook these cognitive losses from lack of oxygen happening after 5 minutes. Yes, there are no patients confirming this. Fine. But the most likely reason why nobody who ended up with oxygen deprivation lacking an ice bath or other immediate ways of cool-down has confirmed this is: brain damage and the resulting disability to confirm cognitive losses are due to cognitive losses! Even people, who, as newborns, have suffered from a drastic loss of intelligence due to lack of oxygen are likely to shut up and leave the faith in "state-of-the-art" brain preservation practiced by the leading cryonics providers intact. But if you ask me, I'd leave further observations on preserved brains resulting from professionally licensed medicine. > Message #32701 > Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 07:49:29 -0700 > Subject: Guilty for existing? > From: MARK PLUS <> > > The surprisingly negative comments appended to Kerry Howley's essay > about male cryonicists and their hostile wives, as well as similar > comments posted about it on other websites, make me judge this piece a > failure in cryonics education and reputation building. ... /// -- Hotelbewertung: BloB nicht die Katze im Sack kaufen bzw. den Floh auf der Matratze buchen - ob geschaftlich oder privat - erst das Hotel im Reise-Channel auf arcor.de checken! http://www.arcor.de/rd/footer.hotel Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=32705