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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:41:58 -0400
Subject: What a good and reasonable question...any response?
From: Rudi Hoffman <>

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Hello, Cryoneters...

I have been playing "lurker" on Cryonet for a while, although enjoying the
banter for the most part.

I thought the following post was quite thought provoking, and congratulate
it's author.

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I read some posts from earlier this month in which it was said that teams
exist in hospitals that can attach patients in cardiac arrest to portable
perfusion machines. It was suggested that these teams could be used in
cryonics. That left me wondering why such teams aren't used routinely in
hospitals. Why on TV shows do we see doctors doing futile CPR and then
calling "time of death" rather than attaching patients to perfusion machines
while their hearts are stopped to buy more time?
Darryl

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Perhaps by the time this posts tomorrow there may be responses regarding
this.  In thinking about it, it occurs to me that people are routinely (?)
put on heart/lung machines, although we don't typically see this in
television dramas depicting point of death.  I am usually hollering at the
TV, "He's not really dead yet!  Cool him down and continue CPS (Cardio
Pulminary Support) and get him to the emergency room!"

At the Cryonics Tech Progress conference this April, Catherine Baldwin and
the folks at Suspended Animation demonstrated multiple newer protocols and
equipment.  These "newer" protocols and equipment are indeed the precise
ones used in emergency medicine, evidently.  Which is exactly as it should
be, as Ms. Maxim has been pointing out in repeated and perhaps overly
critical posts.

The very reason I created this conference, with Lori Rhode's help, was to
disseminate the newer "mainstream" oriented nature of current SA protocols,
equipment, and training.  Even most serious and engaged cryonicists are not
aware of the fairly dramatic improvements that have been implemented in the
last 24 months or so.

The point is that our actual and permanent "death" can almost certainly, it
would seem, be impacted by the knowledge, technology, and motivation of the
people around us, even in more traditional (non-cryonics) contexts.  (?)

Good question and thread to develop, Darryl!

Rudi
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