X-Message-Number: 32770 From: Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 00:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: CryoNet #32768 Cryonet message 32768 Following Oberon's proposal and Bridge's discussion of "prioritas" We exist in a world of mortals. Even a famous speech by President John F. Kennedy about the missiles of October in Cuba, where he says after Russia backs down, that "we all life on one small planet, breath the same air and are mortal." There are certain assumptions. It will not change quickly or possibly even in a single generation for most cultures and peoples. Everyone must die, is the assumption enforced by an assumption that human beings understand all that is possible in some certain areas of existential reality. The thing to remember about the future is that if current technology evolution is any recent indication, then the same nanotechnology that may explain the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth influenced by a political religious conspiracy made by extra-terrestrials, so also nanotechnology may give us the world of the brain eating zombies just as easily. Technology in Sci-Fi has me promising my friends someday we would all talk on a communicator like Kirk did on Star Trek and all my peers laughed at just how stupid I was in 1968. Most of these people will be dying as is their duty to their God. We are going to have trouble if we try to keep them from embracing their fate that is promised to them by their God. We have to look at it like a different kind of species from the 6 billion around us. They are never going to hope for the future we think might be there. Actually I know it is more likely we are correct than the dogmatically mortal believers in the supernatural magic. As Isaac Asimov has observed, in most pre-scientific cultures the performance of advanced scientific technology operations is regarded as magic and the ones doing it are magicians, not cleaver human scientists. Therefore, one thing to keep in mind is that our success is likely to cause the charge of witchcraft against our laboratories and medical doctors. We should instead begin a new approach to organization that assumes that the use of this technology solution will be sabotaged constantly and we will be tripped up constantly if we do not plan strategically expecting games of sabotage against our collective industry. They will want us to fail and not get something they believe their God does not want any person to have, which is an escape of death that does not involve the authority of their universal truth of the Holy Ghost thingy. Even though they can not really define what God is, they believe strongly and it gives them comfort having faith is something emotional and not fundamentally logical. My whole corporation was ended the year that I recruited about 20 young adults with what for them is a relatively cheap life-insurance/investment instrument buying them membership in a cryonics program. Their families said I did something immoral in sales, offering them another idea than simply paying for a funeral. It was defined as wrong to sell the idea of future possible reanimation by way of a relatively inexpensive financial instrument if bought in an insurance contract at a younger age. So you see, this business operation which was a success for the future of these 20 clients doomed me to face insolvency on charges from the voice of the "Holy Ghost" talking to Iowa families. One thing in Bridge's comment is substantial to all sides: "By pulling out all the stops, expense be damned, and actually using these less toxic but pricey cryoprotective agents such as ectoin, DESO, and KF7G; fully reversible liquid nitrogen cryopreservation of entire animals is IMHO quite possible right now." So then we might study cost, supply and logistics to make a study of options to purchase based on membership requests/demands and availability. There in any business levels of operations and services and this will be the same for this industry as with all others. But you have to develop a good lexicon of terms to sell those levels and service options in understandable ways to customers. Danila Medvedev is mentioned in Cryonet 32732 by Rudi Hoffman concerning news about Cryonics in Russia which is providing liquid Nitrogen freeze of the head for less cost than any corporation in North America can. We need Sales and marketing business to support giving customers who have needs information about options to purchase a contract of medical services in cryonics. But also, beyond that a key business-operation technology available to us is investing in future technology development as a resource. This is why I am so enthusiastic even though right now I have been defunded and denigrated as a business executive. There is always possibility concerning the future. It turns out technology is bigger than most of us guessed in 1968. So what this is like is it is like planned use of different modes in time. If you freeze then you are suspended at a molecular level compared to movement of molecules in things around you that are in normal dynamics in linear time. This is a kind of medical Triage. I have suggested seven levels of service in Cryonics that will require service operation price targets. These are as with all medicine to be based on non-profit business operation costs. Level One: At the least we can preserve DNA with the request so that in the future if and when technology and economic means permit, then a person has the comfort of knowing an "identical twin" of themselves will be born again to continue an essay on life as a human being Level Two: In addition to the DNA a "download" of all MRI and PET Scan or other brain and body data to support a more full possible technology advent of the reanimation of the rebuild of the deceased person. Level Three: If the finance was in place and opportunity of procedure permits, then cryonics preservation of the part of the body cells is kept so as to permit some kind of future possible reanimation of the tissue of that person in the rebuild of the whole person to a future technology in some part continued essay of existence as themselves in the living world. Level Four: If the finance was in place and opportunity of procedure permits, then cryonics preservation of the major part of the brain is kept so as to permit some kind of future possible reanimation of the brain tissue of that person in the rebuild of the whole person to a future in some part continued essay of existence as themselves in the living world. Level five: If the finance was in place and opportunity of procedures permit then the cryonics preservation of the whole head of the person to a future in some part continued essay of existence as themselves in the living world. Level Six: If the finance was in place and opportunity of procedures permit then the cryonics preservation of the whole head and torso of the person to a future in some part continued essay of existence as themselves in the living world. Level Seven: If the finance was in place and opportunity of procedures permit then the cryonics preservation of the whole body of the person to a future in some part continued essay of existence as themselves in the living world. In summary, the question before us is if we actually take cryonics seriously as saving lives, as a new dimension of medicine, then a triage seems to be in order? If we can develop a market service terminology to structure business operation costs then we can start to make price levels for people seeking services... S. Newell, Ph.D. Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" [ AUTOMATICALLY SKIPPING HTML ENCODING! ] Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=32770