X-Message-Number: 32803 From: "John de Rivaz" <> References: <AANLkTi=s4_aue+> Subject: Re: [LongevityReport] "Nano-nonsense: 25 years of charlatanry... Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:17:31 +0100 The world's first car appeared around 1800. A replica built a few years ago was virtually impossible to control, so articles could have appeared for nearly 100 years suggesting that "horseless carriages" were an idea that would never bear fruit. http://www.h2-hydro-gen.com/page19.html Steam engines appeared two millenia ago - Hero's Engine. Philosophers no doubt made similar remarks about their lack of torque and therefore practicability. As far as I know no one tried to make a car using one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_of_Alexandria Electricity has been known from antiquity, and considered useless for thousands of years. Only relatively recently (in terms of millenia) has it become so useful. Until it became useful, similar remarks would have been made. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity The legend of Aladdin's Lamp has been regarded as a fable for millenia. Now there is one in almost every home. (A computer screen is the lamp, rubbing it is typing on the keyboard, and the wishes limit is the credit card limit.) Guess what, the Internet uses electricty (electric current rather than static electricity) much of which is generated by steam turbines (of different design to Hero's), and goods bought on eBay are brought to your door by "horseless carriages" (still powered by a series of explosions, but not from hydrogen gas). -- Sincerely, John de Rivaz: http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy, Nomad .. and more ----- Original Message ----- From: MARK PLUS To: ; Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 3:41 PM Subject: [LongevityReport] "Nano-nonsense: 25 years of charlatanry" As I've suspected, cryonics organizations might have made an error a generation ago by identifying revival scenarios too closely to certain technological speculations which haven't born fruit: http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2010/08/24/nano-nonsense-25-years-of-charlatanry/ -- Mark Plus Life is short: Freeze hard! Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=32803