X-Message-Number: 32953 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:24:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Scott Locklin and technological progress From: MARK PLUS <> Brian Wowk endorses Scott Locklin's observations about the failure of technological progress in Cryonet #32937: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32937 I have to disagree with Locklin's assessment of medical progress since 1959: >Medicine? Surgical techniques are unarguably better now than 50 years ago, but they're not terribly different either. And compared to what was developed 50 years prior, not so impressive. I hope humans can learn to do amazing things like grow new livers in 50 years, but I'm not optimistic at the prospects. Drugs? I can't think of anything in the last 50 years which was as cataclysmic as the invention of antibiotics. Most of the drugs since then have done little more than give people excuses to behave badly. We're certainly not any healthier now, just more dependent on medical intervention to keep us alive and functioning. We do enjoy better health now on average, but not for the commonly assumed reasons. Modern health care doesn't have that much to do with health, according to Robin Hanson's research. Antibiotics, for example, did not produce a "cataclysmic" discontinuity in the mortality rate, which has declined steadily over the past century for reasons independent of health care: Fear of Death and Muddled Thinking - It Is So Much Worse Than You Think http://hanson.gmu.edu/feardie.pdf I've had to start taking an ACE inhibitor (Lisinopril) to lower my blood pressure after the branch retinal vein occlusion in my right eye back in June. It produces a measurable decline in my BP, but Hanson's essay causes me to question whether the pharmacological attack on risk factors for cardiovascular diseases makes that much difference in the health of populations. -- Mark Plus Life is short: Freeze hard! Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=32953