X-Message-Number: 32988
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 05:16:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: un person <>
Subject: What we need is not TECHnology, but SOCIOlogy 

over on his blog, mark plus wrote:


>Cryonics needs some fresh minds. 



yes!



>Cryonicists spend too much time talking amongst ourselves, 



Yes!




>and I think that has led to the reinforcement of some probably untenable ideas 
in several areas, 



Yes!


>notable revival scenarios based on Drexler's nanotechnological fantasies. 





Fantasies now, but maybe not fantasies in the distant future. Who knows? Not me.





>What would it take to organize regular, invitation-only conferences where we 
sought the perspectives of knowledgeable people outside of cryonics who express 
a willingness to study the project and offer suggestions for improving it?





More tech-heads, more gearheads? Maybe we need more randroids, more 
Heinlein-worshippers?






>Or conversely, what about giving talks to groups of capable people outside of 
the cryonics community and then soliciting their constructive criticism? 





Capable in WHAT? It is technology and science experts we need? Or is it people 
who understand sociology?


The fact that only a tiny of one percent of the population has adopted cryonics 
is a huge problem for cryonics. We counted on a rapidly increasing curve of 
technology, a singularity soon to come. I guess the internet boom gave us hope. 
Now we see that there are likely going to be many decades before science gives 
us the power to demonstrate to the masses that cryonics can work. But how do we 
get cryonics to that future time, decades from now, when science will let us win
mass numbers of convert. More scientists are not going to help. The current 
state of science is our enemy, not our friend. 


We need to understand sociology in order to market cryonics. We need experts in 
people, not experts in science.




>For example, many major cities, including metro Phoenix, have inventors' 
groups. 



Groups of preachers would win us far more converts.


In order to get the cryonics industry to a future where science is advanced 
enough to win us mass numbers of new members, we need to "fake it till we make 
it."  And that means using religion to market cryonics, not science. 

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