X-Message-Number: 33015 References: <> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 08:40:44 -0700 Subject: Re: CryoNet #33007 - #33013 From: Charles in Arizona <> I ask David Stodolsky for some evidence, and he points me to a paper that propounds a theory! Well, I guess I should have expected that, as we enter the world of social sciences. Since researchers probably don't go around inserting probes into the brains of the elderly on a random basis as a means to measure their happiness, I have to think that they rely on self-assessment by the subjects. Contrary to David's suggestion that I am closed-minded for not believing what people say, I think skepticism is the first duty of anyone asking questions and listening to answers. Skepticism is certainly my reaction when I find statements such as this: "Over the years, the older subjects reported having fewer negative emotions and more positive ones compared with their younger days. But even with the good outweighing the bad, older people were inclined to report a mix of positive and negative emotions more often than younger test subjects." This seems to suggest the elderly are ambivalent. But they say they're happy. Well, are they? They are certainly likely to have more money than younger people, which may help. And they have given up on many of the unrealistic goals that tend to make some younger people frustrated. But I don't see how any of this research can compensate for self-deception. And, incidentally, do any of the happiness researchers weight their results according to disposable income, health problems, and similar obvious factors? How about this for vagueness in the guise of science: "In measuring immediate well-being - yesterday's emotional state - the researchers found that stress declines from age 22 onward, reaching its lowest point at 85. Worry stays fairly steady until 50, then sharply drops off. Anger decreases steadily from 18 on, and sadness rises to a peak at 50, declines to 73, then rises slightly again to 85. Enjoyment and happiness have similar curves: they both decrease gradually until we hit 50, rise steadily for the next 25 years, and then decline very slightly at the end, but they never again reach the low point of our early 50s." Again these conclusions were entirely drawn by asking people to rate themselves. But this assumes that men and women, old and young, apply the same meanings to words such as "worry" and "anger." As for David's suggestion that a "cryonicist" would not have a circle of friends who are in any way representative of the population at large, I didn't get interested in cryonics until I was 45, but I still have many of the same friends now that I had before I was 45. Did those friends suddenly become unrepresentative of the world at large when I became a cryonicist? That doesn't make sense. Therefore, according to David, I must have always been a cryonicist without realizing it. How many other people are in this interesting state, I wonder? Does David take steps to filter them out when he is looking for a representative sample? --Charles Platt Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=33015