X-Message-Number: 33023 From: "Jens Rabis" <> References: <> Subject: Keith : "... cryonics is so hard to sell !?" Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 11:12:50 +0100 Quote: "I don't have any really good ideas about why cryonics is so hard to sell, but I doubt this is a big factor. Keith " End quote Hi cryonauten and Keith, 1. For me it is logical, but many academics have forgotten how to listen. ^ ^ 2. 6.7 billion people live on the earth, that means 670 million (about 10 percent) die per year. What a huge mountain of flesh when it freezes. Within 10 years, 7 billion people. I am grateful that it only want a few. We are elite! Because healthy (!) Self-interest, we should remain small in number. So no one says in the future: "The frozen mountain of flesh" has to go. 3. Resurrection technologies are automatically in the future, we do not need to finance. 4. If my Cryofather ignored my questions, allowed the movement cryonic lick me there, where never the sun shines. * grin * 5. Keith you want me? I want personal care. You are not dream / visionary of masses ;-) Wonder ... what you can do for me. 6. Hi Charles, will you ask religion teacher in the USA? ****************** 1. Fur mich ist es logisch, aber viele Akademiker haben das Zuhoren verlernt. ^^ 2. 6,7 Milliarden Menschen leben auf der Erde, das bedeutet 670 000 000 (rund 10 Prozent sterben pro Jahr). Was fur ein riesiger Berg aus Fleisch, wenn man sie einfriert. Innerhalb von 10 Jahren, 7 Milliarden Menschen. Ich bin dankbar, dass es nur wenige mochten . Wir sind Elite. Wegen gesundem(!) Eigeninteresse, sollten wir zahlenmaBig klein bleiben. Damit niemand in Zukunft sagt: "Der gefrorene Fleischberg muss weg! . 3. Auferstehungstechnologien kommen in Zukunft automatisch, das brauchen wir nicht zu finanzieren. 4. Wenn mein Cryo-Vater meine Fragen ignoriert, darf die kryonische Bewegung mich dort lecken, wo niemals die Sonne scheint. *grinst* 5. Keith Du willst mich? Ich will personliche Pflege. Schwarme Du nicht von Massen ;-) Frage mich, was Du fur mich tun kannst. 6. Hi Charles, wirst Du Religionslehrer in den USA fragen? Best greetings Jens Rabis Germany-Berlin On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:00 AM, David Stodolsky <> wrote: snip > "Work" is a modern concept Replace "work" with the effort (or time) required to gather, hunt or farm sufficient to subsist. This can be measured across cultures. > and as such could not have served as a factor in the Early Environment > of Adaptation (EEA), Environment of Evolutionary Adaptedness is the usual meaning of EEA in an evolutionary psychology context. http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/projects/human/epfaq/eea.html > which is the overwhelming source of genetic determination in Man. Regardless of popular science nonsense, such as the "Selfish Gene," humans and most animals manifest a group survival instinct, as well as an individual survival instinct. In fact, in most evolving systems it is possible to identify adaptations at the cellular, bodily, group, and ecosystem levels. I think you violate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor when all of these levels can be understood as simple consequences of genes. You do have to include Hamilton's rule, i.e., inclusive fitness but that just says that a gene can affect the survival of its copies without being in the same body. > What the Gateway Computer President is saying in the above quote, is that he considers Gateway to be his 'Group' and feels it is necessary to work for its success and survival. I doubt it. What you see in people like the Gateway guy where people work hard far beyond the need to do so is the result of selection. Northern temperate zone farmers had to work hard in the spring, summer and fall--far beyond their immediate needs--in order to store enough food to get their families and animals through the winter. The ones who did not pile up enough food or firewood to get through an extra long, extra cold winter died and their farms were reclaimed by the children of those who did pile up more than they would have needed for an ordinary winter. A few thousand years of this results in genes for over achievers in the population of survivors. Clark was only looking at the historical records from the mid 1200s. I suspect this had been going on since farmers moved into northern Europe. > The reason that Dr. Clark's findings are limited to selected cultures is that these Cultures have made the connection, perhaps only implicitly, that 'work' is good for the success of the Group. So, the pre-existing group survival instinct is channelled into 'work' for the benefit of the Group. > > Unfortunately, current marketing strategy, while recognizing the key role of the group through fee reductions for family members, fails to take advantage of this fundamental human instinct. The key to marketing success is to form self-identifying groups or find pre-existing ones, and to target an appropriate suspension offer to the Group as an entity. I don't have any really good ideas about why cryonics is so hard to sell, but I doubt this is a big factor. Keith Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=33017 Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=33023