X-Message-Number: 33077 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 04:31:42 -0800 (PST) From: un person <> Subject: cryonics needs to grow its way out of insolvency, and that re... cryonics needs to grow its way out of insolvency, and that requires a paradigm shift---a paradigm shift that cannot be accepted by the core cryonicists, apparently. The fact is that the way that cryonics is currently sold, it is only seen as valid by a tiny sliver of a fraction of the population. Hence the longterm financial problems that charles platt has pointed out. Now, I suspect that platt is really most deeply concerned about how rich cryonicists will have to bail out the rest of us. Platt has returned to this topic regularly over the past few years. Maybe he is being paid to do so by some rich cryos. Or maybe he came into some money and does not want to have to spend it bailing out alcor. Whatever. The fact remains that only a tiny sliver of a fraction of the populace is psychologically eligible to even objectively evaluate cryonics. This has nothing to do with logic. Homo sapiens is not at his core a rational animal, not when it comes to ideas that are outside the culture and deal with taboo areas like death. And people are not going to change anytime soon. The culture is not going to change anytime soon. No singularity is going to deus ex machina cryonics out of its current moribund state. Not in our lifetime. Cryonics is many decades away from the technical breakthroughs that will allow cryonics to do a "brute force" bootstrap and sell to the general public by reviving animals. This is many decades away. But cryonics is in the meantime in serious trouble unless the rich cryos support us. I think they should and they possibly will be able to do that. My solution is for us activists to meld religion with cryonics. Outside of the cryonics organizations themselves. Go grassroots in protestant churches. As I and others have pointed out, there are a number of verses in the Bible that validate cryonics. Heck, these verses arguably DEMAND cryonics. We could tap into a potential market that is orders of magnitude larger than the current group that sees cryonics as a valid option. But like myself, most cryos are atheists. And many of them despise religion as I once did. If we are going to tap into the american mainstream and grow cryonics radically, we are going to have to PREACH cryonics using the Bible. Are you enough of an egghead to realize and overcome your own prejudices? Stop fighting religion and start using religion. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=33077