X-Message-Number: 33131 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 13:09:17 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Long dissertation from Mike Darwin http://cryoeuro.eu:8080/download/attachments/425990/Cryonics_Failure_Analysis_Part_1_v3.0.pdf http://cryoeuro.eu:8080/download/attachments/425990/Cryonics_Failure_Analysis_Part_2v5.2.pdf http://cryoeuro.eu:8080/download/attachments/425990/Cryonics_Failure_Analysis_Part_3v5.4.pdf I found part 3 of Mike Darwin's analysis to be particularly interesting. The image provided of straight frozen brain tissue does indeed resemble a tissue homogenate, and is dramatically poorer than that of fixed brain tissue. Yet currently many corpses being stored at cryonics providers were straight frozen. Snip from Part 3> "For my own benefit in charting progress in this area I developed a scoring system based on ultrastructure following cryopreservation, rewarming and fixation. I won?t pretend to argue its merits except as an approximate yardstick for measuring progress. At left is brain tissue from a healthy animal perfused with fixative while under anesthesia and with no ischemia (e.g., beating heart). The fine architecture of the tissue is beautifully displayed and at 9K magnification it is possible to see intracellular organelles, such as the nuclei and mitochondria, as well the myelin sheathing, cell membranes and axoplasm. At right is tissue taken from the same anatomical area of the cerebral cortex following straight freezing and rewarming. Cell membranes are no longer visible and the field of view appears more like a tissue homogenate than a section of brain tissue. I assign this level of injury a score of 15, as opposed to a score of 100 for control brain tissue. It is not possible to score higher than 75, regardless of the quality of ultrastructural preservation, in the absence of viability; viability therefore counts for 25 points. SLIDE 160 It is possible to do the same kind of scoring with respect to the pre-cryopreservation parts of cryonics procedures, as well. A patient with no peri- or post-arrest ischemia who was provided with immediate and effective CPS followed by CPA perfusion within the window of demonstrated viability (i.e., 5 hours of asanguineous perfusion at 5oC) would thus get a score of 100 in terms of Clinical Services Delivery. In other words, that patient would have received the best technologically available pre-cryoprotective care it is currently possible to deliver. Since all cryonics patients currently must be pronounced legally dead before the procedure can begin, no patient can score 100. I have arbitrarily decided that each minute of normothermic ischemia up to 5 minutes will count for the loss of 1 point. Thereafter, I have used other, more generous criteria for adjudging the adequacy of care which I will not detail here. Suffice it to say that if the patient gets cryopreserved under conditions where cryoprotection is not possible, the score is 3 points. If we go back to Dr. Bedford, the first patient cryopreserved in 1967, we see that the best possible score he could have achieved had he been immediately straight frozen after pronouncement was 15; but because of grossly inadequate post-arrest and pre-freezing care, his Patient Outcome Score is only 8. You?ll have to decide for yourself how reasonable my scoring system is as we go along. But keep in mind; it is designed to serve only as a relative indicator, not as an absolute measure of performance, nor of patient recoverability." Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=33131