X-Message-Number: 33137 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 13:19:04 -0500 Subject: Scoring Cases From: Charles in Arizona <> Darwin as quoted by oberon states: " I have arbitrarily decided that each minute of normothermic ischemia up to 5 minutes will count for the loss of 1 point." Any attempt to quantify damage is, I think, valuable, so long as we realize that it's partly handwaving at this point. And of course those who have the greatest confidence in molecular repair of the brain will feel that it's mostly irrelevant anyway. The frustrating part is that Steve Harris made the most sophisticated attempt to quantify ischemic inujury, but never finished writing the paper, so far as I know. He derived a number that he referred to as the "E-HIT" score, meaning Equivalent Homeothermic Ischemic Time. See http://www.depressedmetabolism.com/2008/07/10/critical-cooling-rate-to-prevent-ischemic-brain-injury/ The problem with Darwin's approach is that he is applying a linear formula to a phenomenon which cannot be linear. That is, the damage caused by the tenth minute of warm ischemia is highly unlikely to be the same as the damage caused by the first. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=33137