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From: "John de Rivaz" <>
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Subject: Re: Just a thought 
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:20:27 -0000

I was speaking to someone over the holidays who said that he would never 
consider cryopreservation on account of the risk of a revival into a hellish 
future. I countered that it is easy enough to make people. If your sole 
purpose is to enjoy their suffering, why go to the trouble of reviving and 
rejuvenating a cryopreserved patient. However this was insufficient in terms 
of a "sound byte" to convince him.

There have been dystopic science fiction novels written about revivals into 
less than satisfactory futures, but they usually have "our hero" winning 
through in the end.

Linda Negata's Tech Heaven is one

and Larry Niven's World Out of Time is another

Dr Thomas Donaldson, now in cryopreservation with Alcor, once said of the 
latter that he didn't like it much as the hero was "batted about the 
universe like a ping pong ball".

But after various trials and tribulations Niven's character did get a star 
ship all of his own, which can't be bad! [I always thought that the USS 
Enterprise with its huge crew was really a wooden sailing ship in disguise. 
With automation, one person could fly a star ship on his own as did 

Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and

----- Original Message ----- 
Message #33143
From: "Chris Manning" <>
Subject: Just a thought
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:10:50 +1100

Just a thought I had recently which I will share with other cryonicists for 
what it may be worth (maybe 2c Australian).

There are many possible scenarios in which revival from cryopreservation 
will be technically possible but problematic for other reasons, <del> 

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