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From: Gerald Monroe <>
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 05:33:01 -0600
Subject: Re: CryoNet #33183 - #33187

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Jeff Davis :  I thought legal, physician-assisted suicide was available in
Oregon and in the Netherlands.  A simple, logical solution would be for
patients with a diagnosed terminal illness to move to those locations.  An
ideal, near-perfect scenario could be set up if the patient had the money to
fly in the people needed.  An ideal scenario would be : perform the legal
suicide in an operating room with a trained surgeon, perfusionist, and a
cryonics team standing right there.  The attachments for heart-lung
perfusion would already be connected before death!  Waivers waiving autopsy
would already be on file from the medical-examiners office, and/or a court
order would be in the hands of the cryonics team prohibiting interference.
 ALL of the freezing equipment would be on side, including the equipment for
cooling to the temperature of LN-2.  (or intermediate temps to stay above
the glass transition point)  Patient would not leave facility until his or
her body was completely suspended.

It would be entirely practical for a set-up like this to suspend all the
patients to the best standard that is known by current research.

One 'dream' idea would be to have a surgeon remove from the suspended
patient a small sample of the first stage visual cortex, or some other area
of the brain that current neuroscientists understand well and is unlikely to
be related to a person's memories or personality.  (the damage would be
repaired before revival)

The sample would be revived and tested for LTP.  We would take this data to
the courts as proof that the patient *is still legally alive.  *The argument
would be that since the patient's brain tissue IS revivable (could carry the
sample into the courtroom in a life support machine) the patient is not
brain-dead and is not in fact dead.

If it worked, favorable court rulings could make this procedure legal
everywhere in the U.S. as a legitimate medical procedure.  I also think this
would convince many of the skeptics who do not sign up because they don't
believe cryonics works.

Some disagree with this last statement : I have seen comments here that if
we could bring back living breathing humans from cryonics then there would
STILL be a majority of the population who wouldn't want it.

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