X-Message-Number: 33246
From: "Jens Rabis" <>
Subject: AW: #33245
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:46:26 +0100

Hi cryonauts, hi Jon

I believe that the general reproach of professionals against cryonics is not
primarily the freezing process, but because we do not do it with living(!)
Against our fears were sedative / drugs and possible professional
If one asks himself the death watch, you can go to the cryonic institute,
one make a last party etc. - depending on the state of health. Then you fall
asleep .. in the circle of family and friends :-)
This has dignity, has a scientific sense and only little(!) logistical
effort and risks.
Perhaps then, more professionals have courage to help us and silent / secret
to breaking the law. Laws make man, no one is infallible.


ich glaube, dass der allgemeine Vorwurf von Fachleuten gegen Kryonik nicht
hauptsachlich der Gefrierprozess ist, sondern weil wir es nicht mit Lebenden
Gegen unsere Angst waren Beruhigungsmittel/Drogen moglich und eine
professionelle Anasthesie. 
Wenn man sich selbst die Todesuhr stellt, kann man zum Kryonikinstitut
fahren, eine letzte Party o.a. machen - je nach Gesundheitszustand. Danach
schlaft man im Kreise der Familie und Freunde ein :-) Das hat Wurde, das hat
wissenschaftlichen Sinn und wenig logistischen Aufwand/Risiken. 
Vielleicht haben dann mehr Fachleute Mut uns zu helfen und schweigend /
heimlich gegen das Gesetz zu verstoBen. Gesetze machen Menschen, niemand ist

Best greetings
Jens Rabis

Message #33245
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 02:05:05 +0100
Subject: 2 standby is better than 1
From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jonathan_Despr=C3=A9s?= <>


I think Alcor should offer 2 standby instead of 1.

1 should be planned before long ago before the real death.

If you know what I mean.

For example Alcor, for like 2000$ could go in my home go visit me, just to
make sure the standby will know where to go, where is the hospital, the
appartment, if you have the keys, the police number etc.. all those things.

Laughlin did that I think and I think it's a good idea. To make 2 standby,
one for testing, one for real. the testing would be offered as an option to
offer a safer, more rapid real action.


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