X-Message-Number: 33253 From: "Jens Rabis" <> Subject: Why 2x poor? Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:48:58 +0100 Hi cryonauts, why I got to the comment http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=33246 2x Poor? 1x does not worry me ... 2x makes me uneasy. 2x good also ... haha :-D You can still do such a perfect freeze, do with a dead man there are only philosophical sense? Only quite if it must be transported over long distances. Of course you can change laws, I believe however in no short term change in our ponderous democracies. Since each can only hope to find some personal solution. **** Warum bekam ich auf den Kommentar http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=33246 2x Poor? 1x beunruhigt mich nicht ... 2x macht mich schon unruhig. 2x good auch... haha :-D Ihr konnt noch so eine perfekte Einfrierung machen, mit einem Toten macht es nur noch philosophisch Sinn!? Erst recht wenn er uber lange Strecken transportiert werden muss. Naturlich kann man Gesetze andern, daran glaube ich aber nicht kurzfristig in unseren Demokratien. Da kann nur jeder hoffen, irgendeine personliche Losung zu finden. Best greetings Jens Rabis Germany-Berlin " The time is with us, we can ... more! Life is for my ... curiosity :-) " Message #33246 From: "Jens Rabis" <> Subject: AW: #33245 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:46:26 +0100 Hi cryonauts, hi Jon I believe that the general reproach of professionals against cryonics is not primarily the freezing process, but because we do not do it with living(!) peoples. Against our fears were sedative / drugs and possible professional Anesthesia. If one asks himself the death watch, you can go to the cryonic institute, one make a last party etc. - depending on the state of health. Then you fall asleep .. in the circle of family and friends :-) This has dignity, has a scientific sense and only little(!) logistical effort and risks. Perhaps then, more professionals have courage to help us and silent / secret to breaking the law. Laws make man, no one is infallible. *** ich glaube, dass der allgemeine Vorwurf von Fachleuten gegen Kryonik nicht hauptsachlich der Gefrierprozess ist, sondern weil wir es nicht mit Lebenden tun. Gegen unsere Angst waren Beruhigungsmittel/Drogen moglich und eine professionelle Anasthesie. Wenn man sich selbst die Todesuhr stellt, kann man zum Kryonikinstitut fahren, eine letzte Party o.a. machen - je nach Gesundheitszustand. Danach schlaft man im Kreise der Familie und Freunde ein :-) Das hat Wurde, das hat wissenschaftlichen Sinn und wenig logistischen Aufwand/Risiken. Vielleicht haben dann mehr Fachleute Mut uns zu helfen und schweigend / heimlich gegen das Gesetz zu verstoBen. Gesetze machen Menschen, niemand ist unfehlbar. Best greetings Jens Rabis Germany-Berlin Message #33245 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 02:05:05 +0100 Subject: 2 standby is better than 1 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jonathan_Despr=C3=A9s?= <> Hi I think Alcor should offer 2 standby instead of 1. 1 should be planned before long ago before the real death. If you know what I mean. For example Alcor, for like 2000$ could go in my home go visit me, just to make sure the standby will know where to go, where is the hospital, the appartment, if you have the keys, the police number etc.. all those things. Laughlin did that I think and I think it's a good idea. To make 2 standby, one for testing, one for real. the testing would be offered as an option to offer a safer, more rapid real action. --Jon Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=33245 End of CryoNet Digest ********************* Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=33246 Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=33253