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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 03:08:35 EST
Subject: Melody Maxim's Distorted Reality 26

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The state hasn't a clue about how  to regulate cryonics without destroying 
it. They simply do not have the  requisite information, or the requisite 
time and proprietary interest; if  cryonics is regulated out of existence or 
made impotent (e.g., you must wait  24-hours before you can begin your 

procedures as is the case in France) few if  any in government will even notice,
let alone suffer, as a consequence. If  cryonics is to survive in the West it 
will do so by establishing and enforcing  its own regulation. Such an effort 
takes a great deal of time and energy and  requires discipline and 

compromise. Efforts to achieve self-regulation in  cryonics go back to 1968 when
the 
Cryonics Societies of America was created.  That effort and the few made 
subsequent to it did not succeed. Reasonable  standards for proper conduct in 
the areas of financial and ethical conduct as  well as in the areas of 

biomedical and cryogenic care are not impossibilities in  cryonics, and in fact,
much of the work involved has already been done and  exists in 

intra-organizational policies and procedures. What is needed is to  follow those
policies 
and to make them enterprise wide and binding. If that is  done then when 
state regulation comes, as it will, a solid and workable  framework will exist 
to be adapted and encoded into law.   
Finance Department 
(Login Finance_Department) 
Veteran Member 
Misinformation, and Regulation, re: CI   February 5 2009, 8:58 PM   
Jordan claims "Regulation is interfering with care at CI." As far  as I can 
tell, this is a myth. I have suggested workarounds already to the only  

expressed objection to CI being a "cemetery" - that of CI being prevented from
doing anything on their site to their patients other than storage. The  

cryopreservation has to be done by someone else, in this case their contracted
funeral home Walsh. The workarounds are obvious, and if there is any  

"interference" it is due to CI's failure to implement them. Some examples: There
is nothing preventing CI employees from contracting out their services to 
the  funeral home. There is nothing preventing CI from renting out space to 
the  funeral home; namely, their lab room.  
OTOH, IMO, the minor "regulation" of CI by it becoming licensed as  a 

cemetery, has immense positive benefits and protections to CI patients. There  
is 
a large body of law, going back centuries in the common law, protecting 

those  in cemeteries from disturbance, plundering, and such. The Alcor model of
the  patient being a donated research specimen, has no protection for the 
patient  whatsoever!  
The more I think about this, the more I am leaning to being in  favor of 
cryonics storage companies nationwide being licensed as cemeteries.   
Now to the subject of regulation, which the licensing of a company  as a 
cemetery barely qualifies as. Cryonics would be seriously hampered at this  
very early phase of its development, by having the government tell it how it 
can  and cannot cryopreserve patients. The science is not far enough along to 
make it  even possible, in my estimation. I'm sorry I must thoroughly 

disagree with  melody that cryonics has "failed". Cryonics has not even reached
the betatesting  stage, comparable to any emerging technology. Cryonics can 
only be deemed to  have failed if science never finds it possible to 
resuscitate a cryopreserved  individual.  
Mike Darwin 
(Login mgdarwin) 
Veteran Member 
Practical Workarounds   February 6 2009, 6:12 AM  
The workarounds you (FD) suggest are not viable for several reasons  I'll 
give directly, but some others, detailed below, should be.   
Licensing for embalming establishments is typically by site, and  the 

expedient of a mortuary renting or leasing a room in the CI facility would  not
qualify. What's more, such a maneuver defeats the intent of the law and CI's  
agreement with the Michigan necrocrats; namely that CI will respect the  
restraint of trade imposed on cemeteries which precludes them from offering  
embalming and other 'mortuary' services. This legislation was enacted to 
prevent  the establishment of highly efficient integrated 

mortuary-cemetery-florist  operations such Forest Lawn and Rose Hills in 
California.   
Few things will get you into trouble with bureaucrats faster than  trying 
to end-run them in such a transparent way.  
As I understand it, CI still has at least potentially viable  options:  
1) They can return to the state regulators and explain their  situation and 
ask for permission to carry out perfusions in their own facility  under the 
supervision of a licensed Funeral Director. As I understand it the  rule 
against CI doing perfusions in their Sorrentino Court facility was not a  
*hard and fast one.*  
2) CI could build or have professionally fabricated a  self-contained 
mobile operating room which could be deployed on the site of the  contract 

mortuary when needed. A wide range of platforms exist to accommodate  such needs
and there is plenty of well established expertise sitting idle in the  

current economic climate. The pictures below are examples of custom built mobile
facilities; they show what is possible. It is important keep in mind that 
such a  facility can be incorporated into a trailer as opposed to being 

integrated into  a coach and this option would greatly reduce the cost and 
likely 
extend the  working life of such a facility.  
Obviously, using a vendor to do this would be costly, but it can  also be 
done in-house using a 40 ft. trailer shell purchased either new or used.   
This mobile perfusion facility would be inspected/licensed as part  of the 
Funeral Directors establishment and would be only be used by CI in  Michigan 
on the site of their contract Funeral Director. Of course, such a  facility 
would have the advantage of being deployable outside the state of  Michigan 
if the need arose. A mobile facility eliminates much of the capital  
expenditure and risk associated with a permanent  
3) CI members could create a another corporation and purchase an  existing 
funeral establishment which would exist primarily to serve CI, but  would 
also continue to operate offering conventional disposition serving the  
community and generating sufficient revenue to offset expenses. A funeral  

establishment need not be an elaborate operation; many embalming and  
repatriation 
services operate out of industrial parks. This option would have  many other 
advantages, including the opportunity to gain legitimate access to  

cadavers for teaching and training purposes. Providing disposition as an  
incentive 
in order to allow use of a body for teaching or research is not only  
legal, it is a requirement of law in many jurisdictions.   
4) CI could find a more cooperative mortician with more space and  possibly 
arrange to pay for semi permanent space and facilities. In other words,  
find a mortuary that will facilitate the creation of a prep room dedicated  
solely to cryonics operations. Nothing in the law, as I understand it, 

prohibits  CI from paying a licensed funeral operation to provide the 
specialized  
facilities they need.  
5) At a minimum, CI could build a perfusion cart and modular,  easily 

transportable mobile supplies cabinets to be deployed in a mortuary that  is 
more 
cooperative and that has a larger prep room than is currently available  to 
CI. All the equipment necessary for carrying out perfusion, including  
monitoring, data acquisition, temperature control and initial subzero cooling  
could be integrated on an easly transportable cart (gurney), much like the  
mobile advanced life support system (MALSS)cart originally developed by Jerry 
 Leaf and Hugh Hixon in the early 1980s, and further refined by Alcor in 
the  early 1990s:  
All of these options were submitted for consideration by CI about  two 
years ago.                 


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