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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 06:48:35 EDT
Subject: MYOB FD

FD writes:
 
"Oh OK, given the possibility there was no such outside  influence, then the
blame rests squarely on the shoulders of the forum  owners, acting
irresponsibly to deter/disallow free speech.  I, though,  smell a rat in the
background."
 
You know FD, it would make life so much easier for you, and  everyone else, 
if you would just ASK the question, instead of toiling and  bubbling away 
at (usually) half-baked, and also typically completely incorrect  "secret 
"conspiracy theories. 

If you want to blame someone for the demise of Cryonet, well  then by all 
means blame ME. I'm happy to shoulder the full responsibility, even  though 
that is hardly the truth. What is the truth, is that I am the person most  
immediately responsible for Kevin deciding to act. As to a conspiracy, well,  
before I contacted Kevin a few days ago, we had had no contact for years -  
probably onto ten years, or more. I wrote to Kevin telling him what I  
thought of un-moderated list serves, but more particularly, what I know to be  
the damaging and self destructive effect of hosting disturbed or malicious  
people who want to damage or destroy cryonics using cryonicists themselves as  
the stalking horses and whipping boys.
 
If you go to this article on Chronosphere _http://chronop


ause.com/index.php/2011/03/14/were-not-in-kansas-anymore-a-personal-meditation-on-the-consequen
ces-of-increasing-social-acceptance-for-contra-cultural-undertakings/_ 


(http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/03/14/were-not-in-kansas-anymore-a-persona
l-meditation-on-the-consequences-of-increasing-social-acceptance-for-contra-
cultural-undertakings/)  and  scroll down to the section entitled "Self 
Defense 101" you will see virtually  the full text of the letter I most 
recently sent to Kevin. I would add that it  has been edited for grammar and 

expanded upon slightly, but for all intents and  purposes, it is the same letter
he received. If you want to see my other  correspondence to Kevin, just ask, 
and I'll post it here, or send it to you  personally. 
 
Many people were copied on this material and provided input.  Most will see 
these remarks here, and do what they choose in terms of disclosing  their 
input - or not. I will say there was a unanimous (100%) consensus that  

hostile maniacs or (worse still) sane people, out to harm cryonics do  not 
belong 
on list serves run by and for cryonicists. The Internet is free,  free, 

free and they are free to set up their soap box on any of the near  infinity of
virtual sidewalks out there. WE have no obligation to cater a  party for 
them while they go at slashing our throats. 
 
Beware that I am not speaking merely of critics here, but  rather of people 
who have crossed the line from the use of dialogue, to the use  of force 
and/or fraud in their attempts to "change" cryonics. 
 
Also beware that you are not a cryonicist. That is no sin, but  neither is 
it a virtue, and what it means, as well it should, is that you have  

absolutely no just voice in this matter at all. NONE. You have no loyalty  to 
the 
patients in storage and, honestly, very little to no committment to  your own 
long term survival: and yes,  that does set you apart from us -  literally 
eons in time and light years apart from those of us who are, in fact,  
cryonicists.
 
I have been in dialogue with you, on and off for years; in  candid 
dialogue, so you cannot help but be aware of how frustrated, disgusted  and 

despairing I am at the state cryonics is currently in. And by the same token  
you 
must also know that despite those terrible feelings, and the accompanying  
despair I remained signed up. I didn't walk away from myself, or from the  

patients now in cryopreservation - a number of whom I rendered into that state
with my own heart, hands and mind fully engaged and committed to their 
survival. 
 
You have ranted and raved on Cold Filter for years - doing  some tiny 
measure of good, and occasionally (very rarely) getting it right in  your 

speculations. But mostly you've done nothing. And if you continue in that  mode 
you 
will, in the fullness of time, BE nothing. People willing to accept  that 
are not cryonicists, and that's fine. Fine that is, until they wander into  
our environs and begin telling, or trying to tell us, what to do. Please to  
understand YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT. Cold Filter is run by a 

non-cryonicist -  tell him anything you like, and speculate all you want. But 
Cryonet is 
a  time-honored institution we cryonicists created: Kevin Brown by 

establishing it,  and then all the rest of us who poured our hearts, our ideas 
and 
our sweat, into  filling it with content to the end of SAVING OUR OWN LIVES 
AND THOSE OF OUR  COMRADES. 
 
Here's my final advice to you on this matter, and it comes  down from a 

wiser man than me: Get off your ass and go see, and go meet and go  talk to all
of the people in cryonics you have such grand and kooky ideas about.  Do 
what any competent scientist, business man, explorer, or Finance Director  
does, and that's to get the facts. In this case, it just so happens that the  
bandwidth of the Internet, vast as it is, is still too pitifully small to  
provide the information that you, or anyone else really needs to understand 
the  interpersonal mechanics, politics, and "inner workings" of cryonics. That 
 doesn't mean that these things are in way deliberately hidden, but it does 
imply  that you are too lazy to go and discover them.
 
Mike Darwin



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