X-Message-Number: 3693 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 23:41:24 -0800 From: John K Clark <> Subject: SCI.CRYONICS Uploading -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- "Bruce Zimov" <> in 3689 Wrote: >The causal process that made the copies to begin with >is a branch point, after which Cobb and his copies diverge along >spearate causal paths I agree, they would start to diverge as soon as the copy was made and I did say in my previous post that the copy should be current. >Also, there is nothing that prevents more than one individual >Cobb, so the matter of 2 subjective instances simultaneous >can be renamed but no more than that. There are still 2 >separate subjective instances. In general, if you can't distinguish between two things then you don't have two things you have one thing. If two subjective simultaneous experiences are identical and running in parallel then there is only one subjective experience. An outside observer might be able to distinguish between the things having the experience but that is of no importance, it's subjective feelings were interested in and want to survive. I don't believe we have thoughts and feelings , I believe we are thoughts and feelings. At the present time the only thing that has my thoughts and feelings is 3 pounds of gray goo inside the head of a particular bipedal mammal, some day, I hope, that will change. >Our identity is in the pattern of matter, like the identity >of a wave Yes, and the pattern is described by information and so can be duplicated. >There is an obvious difference between 2 hydrogen atoms. >There are 2 of them. One at A, and One at B. That is what >numerical identity is all about. You're in a different position than you were 5 minutes ago but presumably your identity has not changed. Quantum Physics tells us that position is a fuzzy concept at best .You can pick two atoms move them very close together and mix them around so it's impossible to tell EVEN IN THEORY which one is which. Atoms are interchangeable, one is as good as another. John K Clark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.i iQCzAgUBLxoeqH03wfSpid95AQFh3wTuJD9+FAPNAFJrWew6wB0kTlLhh95n7cMl MPXsdvzl6IzDrX4TQEdvTqYWEkZtXJxPtCXhE3t86ow9U5utOdSU/J7o74r1n2hw TmuK6UMH9jMl+p0jXNk1QXseC2mr6Jiul42fOYNoG2IqmgCuFoWEQWVr5Q862tEt Z2RQz+H0r9MCys19z0JT1aC5lyM/5bzHFJWyO5P0wEl3RN4FrCo= =tpLs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=3693