X-Message-Number: 3751 Subject: SCI.CRYONICS Molecular Mobility, Hydrogen Bonds, etc. From: ben.best@canrem.com (Ben Best) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 04:20:00 -0500 Over a week ago I posted a reply to Keith Lynch in which I reported a rough extrapolation of his vapour pressure/temperature table to lower temperatures of interest. To my great embarrassment I must admit that my extrapolation was "rough" to the point of inexcusable sloppiness. I have now very carefully drawn a semilog plot and I find that the figures vary with log10 very well indeed -- virtually forming a straight line (with values quite different from the ones I posted previously): Celcius T Kelvin T mm Hg Reference -130 143 0.000 000 6 Near Tg (water/glycerol) -196 77 0.000 000 000 18 Liquid nitrogen boiling pt. -268 4.2 0.000 000 000 000 056 Liquid helium boiling pt. I have also decided that I was wrong about RMS velocities of an ideal gas being a better proxy than vapour pressure of molecular mobility in low temperature vitreous solutions. It is well-known that temperature is inversely proportional to log10 viscosity for glasses -- which matches the decline in vapour pressure with temperature. What irritated me about Keith's assertion, however, was that it merely alluded to an answer, while claiming to be an answer, and in a misleading way. I wanted to show that a presumably small quantity in terms of a macroscopic property like vapour pressure could still correspond to a large quantity on a molecular scale. For example, if the decline with temperature of RMS velocity of a water vapour molecule is comparable to the decline in vapour pressure, then from 273 Kelvin, 4.6 mm Hg and RMS velocity 615 m/s we get RMS velocity of 2400 nm/sec at 77 Kelvin and 7.5 nm/millisec at 4.2 Kelvin. Since a water molecule is in the order of 0.1 nanometer, this is a considerable mobility. I was also irritated by Keith's refusal to acknowledge the difference between a crystal and a vitrified solid -- his use of vapour pressure of *ICE* being one example. He even went so far as to say "The hydrogen bonds in water and in ice are the same." In fact, H-bond enthalpies in ice I vary from 4.7 to 8.2 kcal/mole, whereas H-bond enthalpies in water vary from 1.3 to 2.8 kcal/mole. A water H-bond has an average life of about 2x10*-13 second. At 0 Celcius water molecules experience 10*11 to 10*12 reorientational and translational movements per second, whereas ice molecules at the same temperature experience 10*5 to 10*6 reorientational and translational movements per second. This makes me think that ice is more fluid that I had thought. At 135 Kelvin (-138 Celcius) vitrified water has a vibrational energy of 17.91 KJoule/mole and a bending energy of 1.93 KJoule/mole as opposed to ice I which has 18.55 and 0 KJoule/mole, respectively. All-in-all I am ready to agree that the translational motion difference between a crystal and vitreous solid at liquid nitrogen temperature is probably less than an order of magnitude. Nonetheless, I still wish I had some *quantitative* sense of molecular mobility at 143K, 77K and 4.2K. I had hoped that some physical chemist would enter the discussion and enlighten us. By the way, it is a common convention for physical chemists to omit the hydrogen atoms when drawing and discussing the tetrahedral hydrogen bonds between oxygen atoms in an ice lattice. I agree that this is misleading and I will try to avoid the practice in the future. -- Ben Best (ben.best@canrem.com) Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=3751