X-Message-Number: 3937 From: Trygve Bauge <> Subject: Re: Life extension & liberty go hand in hand!. Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 02:18:27 +0100 (GMT+0100) My goal is to be alive as far into the future as possible. To extend life we have to overcome the main causes of death. This takes a lot of breakthroughs in science, technology and production. Historically and logically entrepreneurial liberty including respect for individual autonomy, freedom of travel and trade, freedom of contract, and respect for private property, is the legal system that best enables individuals to maximize values. Individual life extension and entreprenenurial liberty go hand in hand. The only way to reach high goals is to make one's path obey one's goal. I practice entrepreneurial liberty because without it I can't greatly extend my life and the life of those I care about. As a result I refuse to ask for passports and visas. Let me mention that I have been fighting the battle in te open in court, like other honest civil rights battles. I had been in litigation with the INS for 8 years and the case was next to go to the US supreme court when the local INS director violated my appeal rights and ordered me deported before my right to take the case to the supreme court had run out. As a result my apeal rights were violated, and I was prevented in taking the case to the supreme court. The INS by the way is know for systematically violating all due procees rights that we usually take for granted. There is no trial by jury. And joseph is wrong when he claims that I was a felon. I was never charged with any crime by the INS as a matter of fact they don't treat it as a crime to be visaless because if they did they would have to respect our due process rights guaranteed by the US constitution. Instead they just round us up and put us in concentration camps, Some people have been for years in these without due process. If you want more information about my civil rights battle please visit my WWW pages: http://www.powertech.no/~trygveb/ Protectionism is a threat to life extension. It is a sobering thought that very few of us would have been around if the native Americans had had a better border patrol! The pilgrims were visaless, and so am I, and for many of the same reasons. The United States was created by foreigners for foreigners! However the jeffersonian revolution has since been replaced by a reactionary protectionist counter revolution. And the United States is now a protectionistic tribal society, just like Norway. The bottom line is: If we are to greatly extend our individual lives we can not afford to practice protectionism! This I realized many years ago, and it is with that in mind that I have set out to combat protectionism politically. Our life extension depends upon that we respect universal unalienable rights like the right to individual autonomy, the right to entrepreneurial liberty and the right to full control of such property as one has aquired by rights respecting means. Trygve In message #3925: Re: sanctuary resolution Joseph J. Strout says a few thing that I hereby rebut: > > I'm promoting this resolution so that I can easier return to Boulder,CO. > > What crap is this? First of all, it has nothing to do with cryonics > and definately does not belong on the cryonics mailing list, I am building a cryonic facility in Nederland Colorado, and the INS by violating my appeal rights has temporary prevented me from completing that facility, The success of cryonics is dependent upon that we protect universal unalienable rights. A government that does not respect the rights of the living is not likely to protect the dead either. > second of all, it's ridiculous. To wit: > > > The local/state police/sheriff is instructed not to assist the > > immigration and naturalization service (I.N.S.) or any of its > > agents. > > Passing a law that law-enforcement agencies shall not assist other > law-enforcement agencies?!? Sheriffs are elected locally in the United states, and that is a check and balance on the federal (and state) government and offer some protection for individual rights when the central government sets out to violate such rights. In Norway sheriffs are appointed by the central state, and the Nazi germans used this to replace all the sheriffs that refused to go along with their rights violating laws. Bureaucrats ought to take to hearth that the germans hanged at Nuremberg were all guilty of obeying law and order, and that is what we hanged them for! Jury nullification serves a similar purpose as locally elected sheriffs. It is an established right in the united states that juries can judge both the law and the fact and that can refuse to convict defendants when they (the jury) think that the law is wrong. Jury nullification is the reason why many communities stopped convicting draft resisters at the end of the Vietnam war, and that many communities do not convict drug users today. The INS knows this and has stopped respecting the right to trial by jury! There is no way any jury in Boulder county would ever have convicted me of being visaless. After all I had lived there in 14 years and built a lot of good will in the community. The press has been very supportive and is the only reason the town trustees have not yet cremated my grand father who is on dry ice at our property there. > > > Foreign born residents shall be assumed to be staying here > > under contract with local citizens. > > Contracts are not legal if they're ilegal (obviously). Either a > foreign born resident is a visitor, a legal immigrant, or an illegal > immigrant. If they're an illiegal immigrant, no contract with local > citizens can make them legal. The original pilgrims were visaless but legal, Jefferson fought against the alien and sedation acts, the protectionism of his time. I am involved in a civil rights battle very much like the blacks had to go through. There was a time when people took pride in being undocumented and equated that with liberty, I still do! I challenge the constitutionality of any law that claims that it is illegal to be free and undocumented! I base my actions on an elaborate legal system of natural law. The question is basically what rights do we have to respect so that we as individuals best can extend our lives? The government doesn't decide what is right or wrong, it merely fails or succeeds at acknowledging the difference, And when it comes to immigration and protectionism , the government is wrong! Protectionism is a very deadly path, its practice threatens our ability to best extend our lives. I can do much more among other free individuals in a free society, than I can create in a protectionist police state. Protectionism is the foreign policy of the police state, and the police state is the domestic policy of protectionism. That some branch of government holds something to be illegal doesn't mean that it is illegal, or that it should stay illegal. Civil disobediance is a respected way of challenging bad laws! > > > In the absence of any felony/crime by the foreign born individual, > > the use of force to disrupt such a contract shall be a > > local/municipal/county/state infraction. > > And if they're illegal immigrants, they have already committed a > felony/crime, so this clause does not apply. If they're legal, then > there would be no reason for INS to interfere. > Once again: Those who are free and undocumented, or so called "illegal aliens" are neither felons nor criminals. Ask the INS, and you will find out that they do not dare to call us felons or criminals, because then we would be protected under the 4th and 5th amendment to the US constitution, and the INS would have to accept our right to trial by jury! To be undocumented is not a felony and not a crime, nor is it treated as such by US courts!. The visaless are basically treated the way runaway slaves were treated 150 years ago: we are treated as subhuman individuals without rights, and that in a country that in its declaration of independence lists as its reason for existence: an upraising against the same kind of transgressions that the United States is now practicing itself. (jefferson didn't like that the right to trial by jury in all legal cases had been suspended either.) When one is not guilty of a crime and is still rounded up and placed in concentration camps then we have a police state! > > If called to or witnessing a dispute between a resident > > and an I.N.S. agent or any other immigration related dispute, > > the police/sheriff is instructed to arrest and detain any I.N.S. > > agent, government official or other individual that is committing > > or has committed the above infraction, and also to issue summons > > Oh please. Maybe the Feds will pass a law that the INS can arrest > sherrifs interfering with other INS officers, too. Then they can all > just place each other under arrest and go to jail together! > What we will get is a stand off where the INS will be forced to back off. We have something called State rights, and we have a long tradition of local communities offering sanctuary. There is nothing new to this I am just suggesting that communities extend to the foreign born in general what many communities already have extended to refugees from central America. When the feds insist upon violating rights, states can refuse to go along, and they will lose their federal high way grants, but on the other hand they will at least gain some self respect and decency! > > The above resolution is promoted by Universal Liberty and > > The Alien Anti Defamation League. > > I don't know much about these groups, but now I know how silly they > must be (despite reasonable-sounding names). > > Sheesh. -- *** BUY: "The JOYFUL LIFE EXTENSION manual" by For a licensed copy of the full manual send $20 +your email address to: Trygve Bauge, Olaf Bull's vei #12 Apt. #229, 0765 Oslo, Norway. To look at samples before buying: http://www.powertech.no/~trygveb/ Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=3937