X-Message-Number: 3937
From: Trygve Bauge <>
Subject: Re: Life extension & liberty go hand in hand!.
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 02:18:27 +0100 (GMT+0100)

My goal is to be alive as far into the future as possible.
To extend life we have to overcome the main causes of death.
This takes a lot of breakthroughs in science, technology and production.
Historically and logically entrepreneurial liberty
including respect for individual autonomy, freedom of travel and trade,
freedom of contract, and respect for private property,
is the legal system that best enables individuals to maximize values.
Individual life extension and entreprenenurial liberty go hand in hand.
The only way to reach high goals is to make one's path obey one's goal.
I practice entrepreneurial liberty because without it I can't greatly
extend my life and the life of those I care about.
As a result I refuse to ask for passports and visas.
Let me mention that I have been fighting the battle in te open
in court, like other honest civil rights battles. 
I had been in litigation with the INS for 8 years and the case
was next to go to the US supreme court when the local INS director
violated my appeal rights and ordered me deported before my right
to take the case to the supreme court had run out. As a result 
my apeal rights were violated, and I was prevented in taking the case to the
supreme court.  The INS by the way is know for systematically violating
all due procees rights that we usually take for granted.
There is no trial by jury. And joseph is wrong when he claims
that I was a felon. I was never charged with any crime by the INS
as a matter of fact they don't treat it as a crime to be visaless
because if they did they would have to respect our due process rights
guaranteed by the US constitution. Instead they just round us up
and put us in concentration camps, Some people have been for years in these
without due process. If you want more information about
my civil rights battle please visit my WWW pages: 
http://www.powertech.no/~trygveb/
Protectionism is a threat to life extension.
It is a sobering thought that very few of us would have been around
if the native Americans had had a better border patrol!
The pilgrims were visaless, and so am I, and for many of the same
reasons.
The United States was created by foreigners for foreigners!
However the jeffersonian revolution has since been replaced by a 
reactionary protectionist counter revolution.
And the United States is now a protectionistic tribal society,
just like Norway.
The bottom line is: If we are to greatly extend our individual lives
we can not afford to practice protectionism!
This I realized many years ago, and it is with that in mind
that I have set out to combat protectionism politically.
Our life extension depends upon that we respect universal unalienable
rights like the right to individual autonomy, the right to entrepreneurial
liberty and the right to full control of such property as one has aquired by 
rights respecting means.

Trygve

In message  #3925: Re: sanctuary resolution Joseph J. Strout says
a few thing that I hereby rebut:

> > I'm promoting this resolution so that I can easier return to Boulder,CO.
> 
> What crap is this?  First of all, it has nothing to do with cryonics
> and definately does not belong on the cryonics mailing list, 
I am building a cryonic facility in Nederland Colorado,
and the INS by violating my appeal rights has temporary
prevented me from completing that facility, 
The success of cryonics is dependent upon that we  protect
universal unalienable rights. A government that does not respect the 
rights of the living is not likely to protect the dead either.

> second of all, it's ridiculous.  To wit:
> 
> >      The local/state police/sheriff is instructed not to assist the
> > immigration and naturalization service (I.N.S.) or any of its
> > agents.  
> 
> Passing a law that law-enforcement agencies shall not assist other
> law-enforcement agencies?!?
Sheriffs are elected locally in the United states, and that is a
check and balance on the federal (and state) government
and offer some protection for individual rights when the central
government sets out to violate such rights.
In Norway sheriffs are appointed by the central state,
and the Nazi germans used this to replace all the sheriffs
that refused to go along with their rights violating laws.
Bureaucrats ought to take to hearth that the germans hanged at Nuremberg
were all guilty of obeying law and order, and that is what we hanged them
for!
Jury nullification serves a similar purpose as locally elected sheriffs.
It is an established right in the united states that juries can
judge both the law and the fact and that can refuse to convict
defendants when they (the jury) think that the law is wrong.
Jury nullification is the reason why many communities stopped convicting
draft resisters at the end of the Vietnam war, and that many communities
do not convict drug users today.
The INS knows this and has stopped respecting the right to trial by
jury! There is no way any jury in Boulder county would ever have
convicted me of being visaless. After all I had lived there in 14 years
and built a lot of good will in the community. The press has been
very supportive and is the only reason the town trustees have not yet
cremated my grand father who is on dry ice at our property there.
> 
> >      Foreign born residents shall be assumed to be staying here 
> > under contract with local citizens.  
> 
> Contracts are not legal if they're ilegal (obviously).  Either a
> foreign born resident is a visitor, a legal immigrant, or an illegal
> immigrant.  If they're an illiegal immigrant, no contract with local
> citizens can make them legal.
The original pilgrims were visaless but legal,
Jefferson fought against the alien and sedation acts, the protectionism
of his time. I am involved in a civil rights battle very much like the
blacks had to go through. There was a time when people took pride
in being undocumented and equated that with liberty, I still do!
I challenge the constitutionality of any law that claims that it is
illegal to be free and undocumented! 
I base my actions on an  elaborate legal system of natural law.
The question is basically what rights do we have to respect
so that we as individuals best can extend our lives?
The government doesn't decide what is right or wrong, it merely fails
or succeeds at acknowledging the difference,
And when it comes to immigration and protectionism , the government is
wrong! Protectionism is a very deadly path, its practice threatens
our ability to best extend our lives. I can do much more among
other free individuals in a free society, than I can create in
a protectionist police state. Protectionism is the foreign policy
of the police state, and the police state is the domestic policy of
protectionism. That some branch of government holds something
to be illegal doesn't mean that it is illegal, or that it should stay
illegal. Civil disobediance is a respected way of challenging bad laws!
> 
> >      In the absence of any felony/crime by the foreign born individual, 
> > the use of force to disrupt such a contract shall be a  
> > local/municipal/county/state infraction.  
> 
> And if they're illegal immigrants, they have already committed a
> felony/crime, so this clause does not apply.  If they're legal, then
> there would be no reason for INS to interfere.
> 
Once again: Those who are free and undocumented, or so called "illegal
aliens" are neither felons nor criminals. Ask the INS, and you will find
out that they do not dare to call us felons or criminals, because
then we would be protected under the 4th and 5th amendment to the US
constitution, and the INS would have to accept our right to trial by jury!
To be undocumented is not a felony and not a crime, nor is it treated as
such by US courts!. The visaless are basically treated the way
runaway slaves were treated 150 years ago: we are treated as subhuman
individuals without rights, and that in a country that in its declaration
of independence lists as its reason for existence: an upraising against
the same kind of transgressions that the United States is now practicing
itself. (jefferson didn't like that the right to trial by jury in all
legal cases had been suspended either.) When one is 
not guilty of a crime and is still rounded up and placed in concentration
camps then we have a police state!
> >      If called to or witnessing a dispute between a resident  
> > and an I.N.S. agent or any other immigration related dispute, 
> > the police/sheriff is instructed to arrest and detain any I.N.S. 
> > agent, government official or other individual that is committing 
> > or has committed the above infraction, and also to issue summons
> 
> Oh please.  Maybe the Feds will pass a law that the INS can arrest
> sherrifs interfering with other INS officers, too.  Then they can all
> just place each other under arrest and go to jail together!
> 
What we will get is a stand off where the INS will be forced to back off.
We have something called State rights, and we have a long tradition
of local communities offering sanctuary. There is nothing new to this
I am just suggesting that communities extend to the foreign born
in general what many communities already have extended to refugees from
central America. When the feds insist upon violating rights, states
can refuse to go along, and they will lose their federal high way grants,
but on the other hand they will at least gain some self respect and decency!

> > The above resolution is promoted by Universal Liberty and
> > The Alien Anti Defamation League. 
> 
> I don't know much about these groups, but now I know how silly they
> must be (despite reasonable-sounding names).
> 
> Sheesh.

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