X-Message-Number: 3992 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 03:58:36 +0100 From: Trygve Bauge <> Subject: What to do when clients try to defraud you? In late 1990 I was hired by a fellow Norwegian, named SVEIN HINDAL to organize his mother's cryonic suspension. I was organizing everything long distance from Boulder Colorado. He contacted Norway's largest news paper who put him in touch with me I let him know what it had cost to freeze my grand father, and told him what it would cost him to hire me, and what my phone bills had been and likely would be. The fellow immediately said yes to hiring me. He was to reimburse me for my long distance phone bills and pay be $20 per hour. To assist him I used money earmarked for my grand father's cryonic suspension. Since I was paying 15-20 percent interest elsewhere at the time it was agreed that my client would pay me 20% interest on any late payments so that I wouldn't lose on assisting him. I let him use all the contacts that I had developed when we froze my grand father the year before, and Norway's largest news paper was helping out too. The client's mother was frozen and transferred to the US and has been in liquid Nitrogen at one of the older cryonic facilities ever since. My bill came to more than $3,350. He still owes me that $3,350 and interest. Thanks to all the contacts I had developed and used, the overhead cost of his mother's suspension was less than 1/2 the cost of what the overhead had been when we froze my grand father. His mother was also frozen much faster and under much better conditions thanks to me being on the phone around the clock, something I wouldn't have done if I had known that the client would defraud me. The client paid the cryonic facility in the US but never reimbursed me, and as far as I know he still owes money to the under taker that helped out to. The latter soured on cryonics as a result of all the hassles caused by this one client. At the last moment the client also balked at letting the news paper publish his story. The hassles caused by this one client is the main reason there has not been any more cryonic suspensions from Norway since early 1991. I, the undertaker and the newspaper that helped out all soured on helping out without getting anything back. The fellow still wants to be frozen himself, he own's an apartment complex, and has the money to pay what he owes, he has offered to pay it several times, but has never paid more than about 15 dollars, which he paid once. I have many witnesses: the newspaper, the undertaker, my mother Jim Yount and others that can verify my claim, The clients most recent step is to let his lawyer suddenly present the following bald faced lies: that I never was hired!, and that I have been paid in full!, He also claims that my claim now is more than 3 years old, and that he therefore doesn't have to pay it. What he indirectly says is that by acknowledging my claim and promissing to pay it for three years he has succeeded in stalling long enough so that he doesn't have to pay. As far as I am concerned that is fraud! I thought that the cryonic community ought to be warned about this fellow named SVEIN HINDAL. If any of you ever are apprached by him be warned! I also want to let it be known that unless he soon pays what he owes, then I will not assist in his cryonic suspension. As you all know, I am kind of pressed myself for the time being and the money he owes me could mean the be or not to be for my own grand fathers continued cryonic supension. Any suggestions and any assistance would be welcome. In the mean time let me issue this warning: WARNING TO EVERYONE IN THE CRYONIC MOVEMENT: TO ALL CRYONISISTS: BEWARE OF SVEIN HINDAL! His address is: Hjalmar Johnsens gate 14b 4019 STAVANGER NORWAY ph 011-47-51-584706 Needless to say I have never promissed him secrecy, but have kept quiet about his fraud as long as he promissed to pay me, Now I see no reason to keep the story from you or the press. I will follow up with more details until he pays up. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=3992