X-Message-Number: 4103 Date: 28 Mar 95 13:37:57 EST From: "Kent, Saul" <> Subject: How Much Do We Want To Live? David Stodolsky says: "It is very likely that peoples' religious beliefs are the basis for their attitudes toward cryonics." I agree that many people aren't interested in cryonics, or have negative attitudes towards it, because of their religious beliefs. However, there also are many people who have no religious beliefs, or whose religious beliefs have no effect on their attitude towards cryonics. In my opinion, the greatest influence on the attitude of those people towards cryonics is the poor quality of today's cryonics methods. We are in the position of treating patients who have been declared "dead" by a physician, who have (in most cases) suffered serious additional damage from ischemia, and who suffer *severe* additional damage from the process by which we freeze them. It is, therefore, not surprising that most people (including most scientists) believe there is little or no chance that these patients can be revived in the future! My point is that if we--the *very* small minority of people who *do* believe there is a chance of revival for today's cryonics patients, fail to improve upon today's methods, no one else will! It is *we* who must convince the skeptics that cryonics can work, and the only way I think we can do so is to demonstrate progress in our cryopreservation methods, which leads to the achievement of suspended animation. If we fail to gain credibility for cryonics, I don't think the movement will grow very much, I think the patients will be at continuous risk because of the weakness of the movement, I think it will take longer to develop repair methods that might revive cryonics patients who remain frozen, and I think there may be economic, legal, and political reasons that could block attempts at the revival of such patients. On the other hand, if we *do* develop suspended animation, I believe cryonics will evolve into a fully accepted medical procedure, which will eliminate or reduce substantially many of the risks to cryonics patients by providing them with legal, political, and other societal protections. I further believe that such an achievement will foster the value of life in society and lead to *greatly* accelerated funding for research to repair damage in cryonics patients, to retard aging, and to rejuvenate the aged. Moreover, I think it will make it possible for some of us to avoid *entirely* the necessity of being frozen, and enable the vast majority of us who *need* to be frozen to be revived with our identities intact...in many cases relatively soon after being frozen! As I see it, the benefits of developing suspended animation are so great and compelling that I cannot fathom why everyone in cryonics who can afford to do so doesn't spend a substantial portion of their assets to make it happen! David Stodolsky's statement that: "...the very idea of 'progress' and the support for research, which is crucial to the advancement of science is under attack these days" has little or no relevance to our situation. First of all, the idea of scientific progress has *always* been under attack. I have no idea whether the idea is more under attack today than in the past, although it is my impression is that it was under greater attack in the 1960s than it is today. However, such attacks are largely irrelevant to *our* situation because *we* are the only ones with any *real* interest in funding and conducting suspended animation research and--in my opinion--we *have* the money to fund it and to succeed in achieving it! Ultimately, it may boil down to a simple, but very profound question...how much we want to live...how much we value the prospect of living for centuries in a universe of illimitable possibilities...and how much we wish to avoid the prospect of being dead....forever! Saul Kent Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=4103