X-Message-Number: 4255 From: Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 11:46:45 -0400 Subject: doublethink Robert Horley's thoughts (#4243) on mainstream views of cryonics are perceptive on one level, but not necessarily really on target. He points out that immortalism/cryonics represents a potential ideological/cultural/psychological disaster for many people, a wrenching and shattering change of world view that might arouse the most vicious response if we ever seem on the verge of success either scientifically or in public relations. I pointed out the same thing in the very beginning--but the key word is "potential." If you threaten the institution or belief that someone holds central to his psyche, you threaten him (or so he thinks) and his response can be dangerous. But we are dealing here with psychology, and the pivots can be extremely delicate. Sometimes a mere turn of phrase can make the difference. And we must not forget that wonderful human capacity for double-think. To be a bit more specific, what happened when earlier religions were replaced by Christianity? How was it able to prevail despite the hold of tradition? Part of the answer is that Christianity had something new and valuable to offer. The other part is that is that the new religion incorporated or subsumed many elements of the old. The first Christians were still Jewish in most ways, just as the first Jews were still in most ways adherents of the previous cults. Christmas is generally believed to be a retrofitting of the previous winter solstice festival, etc. (For that matter, several of the miracles relating to Jesus are closely similar to those attributed to Gautama the Buddha several centuries earlier.) Again, one might have said (and many did say) that the rise of modern science a few centuries ago was a mortal threat to religion. But the logical and the psychological are not the same; science did turn some from religion, but most adapted, accepting the benefits of science while retaining their religions with minor modifications. We have precisely the same things working for us. First, the benefits we offer are real and major, while the task of adapting one's religion or ideology--without seeming to abandon it--is relatively easy. It follows that part of our job (at least in some contexts or discussion circles) is to make that adaptation easier by NOT stressing the threatening aspects of cryonics. This also means that it CAN be a wise tactic to seem (in most respects) very mainstream. After all, no salesman tries to offend the customer or emphasizes the potential disadvantages of his product. I haven't always followed this reasoning myself. There is a certain satisfaction in needling the noodleheads. And my next book, if I ever finish it--the world's first scientific philosophy of life--will stick it to a lot of people where it really hurts. But even here I will try to make it clear that I hate the sin but love the sinner. Robert Ettinger Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=4255