X-Message-Number: 4567 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:58:21 -0800 From: (American Cryonics Society) Subject: ACS NOT SINGIN' "THE SINGLE PROVIDER BLUES!" This is further follow up to the American Cryonics Society-BioPreservation, Inc. (ACS-BPI) contract cancellation, and the new information and opinions added by Steve Bridge in his Message #4556. Thanks to Steve for posting the original article "THE ADVANTAGES OF IN-HOUSE SUSPENSION TEAMS," which appeared in the Alcor in-house publication *Phoenix*. While Alcor is kind enough to send us issues of *Cryonics* Magazine, I don't believe I have ever seen a copy of the *Phoenix*, which I understand is a newsletter. A copy of the newsletter where this article appeared would be appreciated. While I realize the article was written for Alcor insiders, and in-house publications serve, partly at least, to assure members that they are "in good hands," a couple of corrections and statement of diverse opinion is certainly in order in this forum. First, I was surprised at Steve's statement that: "Leaders of both CryoCare and ACS state that they feel it is an advantage to their members if a cryonics organization contracts solely with outside providers for those services." I have not gone back and tried to review all of the things that ACS leaders have said over the past 26 years, but I'm not aware of ACS leaders making such statements. In fact, if we held such beliefs, we would not have expended the considerable time, money, and energy to make sure we did not have to depend solely upon contract providers. If ACS leaders ever did hold such opinions, our experience in contracting with service providers, well before we ever contracted with BPI, certainly disabused us. The problem of not being able to provide members with the level of suspension (or other) services desired, because of one occurrence or another, is not solved simply by having in-house suspension services. Also, any cryonics society which has been around a long time, like ACS and Alcor, has times in its history when it was damned lucky a member didn't pick that time to deanimate. Our own approach to wider access to suspension services has been to both contract with others we deemed competent, and to develop in-house response. Perhaps of equal importance to in-house capability, and contracts, is cultivating GOOD WILL among fellow cryonicists. Contrary to ACS leaders believing in the strict limitations suggested by Steve, we believe ALL SUSPENSION RESOURCES OF ALL COMPANIES should be made available whenever possible to any member of any organization who is in distress. ACS can be proud of its record of cooperation and open-handedness. Last year I assisted with a stand-by for a CryoCare member, and although we have no written mutual cooperation agreement with CryoCare, I know many of its members would reciprocate. ACS has offered use of any of its suspension supplies and equipment (ACS volunteers, I know, would also make their own services available) to Alcor North people. This is a unilateral commitment: Alcor has not reciprocated, but that doesn't bother us much. Cooperation has to start somewhere. I will add, however, that individual Alcor members (as well as CryoCare members) have frequently volunteered. ACS has a contract with the Cryonics Institute (CI) which makes the resources of CI available to ACS members as specified in the contract. We have enjoyed an excellent relationship with CI which has certainly benefited our members. Royce Brown, who is a member of ACS and CI (I believe he is also an Alcor member) has offered to travel anywhere in the world to help with a suspension or to be on-site to help cut through red-tape to get a patient shipped to the United States. Royce also personally purchased some suspension equipment, and has it on loan to ACS (it is also available to CI). Keith Henson, a long-time member of Alcor who is also an ACS member, has loaned or given ACS considerable equipment and supplies (of course it is also available for an Alcor suspension). The point is that the ACS spirit of willingness to help any cryonicist, any time, has been rewarded by many people coming forward with offers of their skills, equipment, and money. No cryonics society is big enough, rich enough, or has enough internal resources to be able to assure its members that they will always get top-flight service. Even all together we can't do that, but we can come much closer than we can where a handfull of flea-sized companies horde their resources and each brags about being the best, brightest, and most self-sufficient flea on the dog. While Alcor has suspended many members, and is certainly very committed, it has "lived in interesting times." The model on which Alcor was founded was one of prime dependence on a profit-making partner: Manrise, Inc. When Manrise was merged with Trans Time, Alcor still depended upon a single provider. When CryoVeta became the suspension company for Alcor (and ACS) and Trans Time was the long-term storage provider, (with CryoVeta contracting its services through Trans Time), Alcor was still dependent. When CryoVeta broke with Alcor and took its equipment elsewhere Alcor must have had some uneasy moments. Alcor was hardly as capable just after the deanimation of Jerry Leaf, as it was before. When Mike Darwin, and others who would form competing companies, broke with Alcor, it can hardly be argued that Alcor's suspension capability didn't suffer. When the Riverside County Coroner raided Alcor and removed most of its suspension equipment and supplies, and many records, Alcor was damned lucky no member deanimated. I could extend this list, but I think you get the picture. There are many unfortunate happenings which can adversely effect (temporarily or long-term), any cryonics organization, and Alcor has had more than its share. Many of these adverse occurrences will have an even more devastating effect on a company who is committed to in-house self-sufficiency than on one which also makes use of contractors. While it would be foolish for ACS to be overly dependent on contractors, especially for immediate response, it is equally unwise to shun the use of contractors (as a back-up if nothing else). Ladies and Gentlemen, we are all very vulnerable to the whims of circumstance, and none of us is big enough, or good enough, or wise enough, to be proud. I disagree with both Steve and Mike, somewhat, on their respective suggested strategies to choose a cryonics organization. When I first became interested in cryonics, the movers and shakers were THE CRYONICS SOCIETY OF CALIFORNIA and THE CRYONICS SOCIETY OF NEW YORK. ACS and Alcor were just barely big enough to be called cryonics societies. Most people following the strategy of either Mike or Steve, would have joined one or the other of the big two. The Cryonics Society of New York disintegrated, and if you were unlucky enough to be a client of the Cryonics Society of California you would have ended up as a statistic in the Chatsworth disaster. I'll say it once again: MOST CRYONICISTS LIVE IN A FOOL'S PARADISE. You look around, ask lots of hard questions, then you "pays yer money an' takes yer chances?" Therein lies the path to disaster. The cryonics societies (I include ACS in this criticism, though less-so than others), lay the foundation for their downfall by encouraging paternalism. In order to induce members to part with $150,000 or so (either at their own deaths, or on behalf of loved-ones) we say: "we can be trusted; we will take care of you." If you go to a society and ask: "why should I trust you?" and the person behind the desk replies: "Well, you gotta' trust someone," get out of there as fast as your legs will carry you. If instead the person replies: "Cripes, man, you shouldn't! Only a fool would trust ANY society," that's the club for you; join it and (of course) never trust it. There are many risk-management strategies, all based on the idea that no society should be trusted, which you can implement. There are also many which your society itself can, and should, put into place. No one is more vulnerable to abuse than a dead guy with lots of money. If you take candy from a baby at least the baby will cry. Finally, if you can afford it, join more than one society (preferably as a full member, eligible to participate in the suspension program). Put them through their paces. You can weed out one or more (society) as you become more sophisticated. When the Cryonics Society of California was first showing signs of its ultimate failure, the members who were also members of other cryonics societies saw the problems first, and were saved. Those who were, like mushrooms, "kept in the dark and fed bullshit," because their only information was propaganda generated by their one paternalistic cryonics society, and were unfortunate enough to die and be frozen by that organization, are now worm-food. Long life, Jim Yount =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= American Cryonics Society (408)734-4200 FAX (408)734-4441 P.O. Box 1509 Cupertino, CA 95015 =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=4567