X-Message-Number: 4680 Date: 27 Jul 95 18:57:42 EDT From: Mike Darwin <> Subject: Re: "Sweep of History" Thanks to edgar Swank for the message that follows. It is particularly appropriate to me because I get to see the school work of Freshman and Sophomore High School science students (including manadory health sciences classes) which my lover teaches at a typical suburban high school in Sourthern California (Note: we are not talking about West LA or Watts here). The majority of these kids cannot even REASON, let alone write or read competently. One of the reasons I stopped going to high schools AND colleges to speak on cryonics or other medical/research topics was it began to make me sick to my stomach and cause me intense anxiety trying to fall asleep at night. Alright, I admit it, I'm a coward. But dealing with this is like standing in front of an advancing tidal wave with a leaky bucket. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Edgar Swank, INTERNET: TO: Mike Darwin, 75120,575 DATE: 7/27/95 2:17 AM RE: Re: "Sweep of History" Sender: highnrg! Received: from zygot.ati.com by dub-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id FAA25948; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 05:11:45 -0400 Received: from highnrg by zygot.ati.com with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0sbOye-0001j6C; Thu, 27 Jul 95 02:11 PDT Received: by highnrg.sbay.org (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 27 Jul 95 01:28:55 PDT for To: Mike Darwin <> Subject: Re: "Sweep of History" From: (Edgar Swank) Message-ID: <> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 01:28:31 PDT Organization: HighNRG (408)292-0679 San Jose, Ca. Hello Mike, I've been reading with interest your debate with Ettinger et al. I don't know if you already subscribe to the Libernet mailing list, but I ran across this article which, I think, tends to support your view that "Sweep of History" is not all progress. I'm not sending this article to cryonet, Ettinger, or anyone other than you, so feel free to further distribute it as you think appropriate. ================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 15:51:38 -0400 From: (R. Douglas Horton) Subject: Defending Against Superstition To: , , NEW YORK TIMES -- June 6, 1995 Scientists Deplore Flight From Reason - By MALCOLM W. BROWNE SINCE at least the time of Archimedes, the third-century B.C. Greek physicist who was slain by a Roman soldier, scientists have occasionally had to defend themselves from forces anathema to rational thought. Once again many scientists believe their backs are to the wall, and participants at a meeting last week in New York resolved to start fighting back. There is growing danger, many said, that the fabric of reason is being ripped asunder, and that if scientists and other thinkers continue to acquiesce in the process, the hobbling of science and its hand-maidens - medicine and technology among them - seems assured. Moreover, many participants argued, the same cognitive disease afflicting science in the United States and many other countries could eventually even unravel democracy, which depends on the capacity of citizens to reach rational estimates. Some 200 worried scientists, doctors, philosophers, educators and thinkers from around the country convened for a three-day meeting at the New York Academy of Sciences to exchange views and plot strategy. Held under the rubric "The Flight from Science and Reason," the meeting was organized as a call to arms. Defenders of scientific methodology were urged to counterattack against faith healing, astrology, religious fundamentalism and paranormal charlatanism. But beyond these threats to rational behavior, participants at the meeting aimed their barbs at "post-modernist" critics of science who contend that truth in science depends on one's point of view, not on any absolute content. Participants deplored what they see as a growing trend toward the exploitation of scientific ideas to attack science. They cited the physics of relativity and quantum mechanics as pillars of 20th-century thought that are sometimes distorted by critics of science into arguments that nothing in science is certain and that mystery and magic have an equal claim to belief. At risk is public trust in such scientific tools as statistical analysis, controlled laboratory and clinical experiments, the rational analysis of political oratory, and the study of history, anthropology and every other field dependent on disciplined, rational thought. Another weapon increasingly wielded by opponents of science, participants warned, is the frequent allegation that fraud in scientific inquiry has become so common that scientists cannot be trusted. Dr. David L. Goodstein, a physicist and vice provost of the California Institute of Technology, said that although fraud existed, it was not nearly as common as critics of science contended. Dr. Goodstein, who has worked with Federal agencies in developing guidelines for defining misconduct in science, said that from 1980 to 1987 only cases of misconduct came to light - involving some three ten-thousandths of 1 percent of all scientists receiving research grants. (All but five of those cases involved doctors or biologists, Dr. Goodstein said.) Excessive legal constraints on scientists, he asserted, can "endanger the scientists' right to be wrong," hindering the scientific process. Although most medical schools discount the claims of chiropractors, faith healers and practitioners of "alternative medicine," many medical schools lack the courage to stand by their convictions, Dr. Gerald Weissmann, a doctor at the New York University Medical Center, said. "Silence is easier in politically dangerous times," he said. "Medicine and science today are being confronted by lunatics, fascists and the practitioners of bizarre magic." Dr. Paul Kurtz, a professor of philosophy at the State University of New York at Buffalo, contended that post-modernists of both the political left and right denied that scientific knowledge was possible. The result, he said, was an "erosion of the cognitive process which may undermine democracy." Americans have become fascinated by angels and "out of body" experiences, said Dr. Wendy Kaminer of Radcliffe College in Cambridge, Mass., and seem to be discarding the habit of critical thinking. It is in this environment that irrational ideas take hold, she said, asserting, "They tell us, for instance, that there is no death, only 'energy transformation,' and that science, born out of speculation, cannot help us understand the spiritual world. "The dissemination of pseudoscience, including such things as the fascination with near-death experiences, the growing belief by Americans - 34 percent of them - in reincarnation, and such books as the best seller 'Abduction: Human Encounters with Aliens' by Harvard University's John E. Mack, are dangerous. They help to break down the standards of reason, and that can lead to such vicious doctrines as Aryan theories of race, and Lysenkoism." The term is named after Trofim D. Lysenko, an agronomist who erroneously believed that acquired characteristics could be inherited, and nearly destroyed Soviet agriculture. Organizers of the meeting acknowledged that it was not structured to give enemies of science equal time; the latter have ample opportunity to express their positions on television talk shows, popular books and in the press, they said. Among the writers sharply criticized at the meeting but not present were Shirley MacLaine, the actress who espouses the certainty of reincarnation; Dr. Mack, the author of the book about alien abductions; Dr. Sandra Harding of the University of Delaware, who has argued that "value-free research is a delusion" and has compared traditional methods of science to "marital rape, the husband as scientist forcing nature to his wishes;" and Betty J. Eadie and Curtis Taylor, the authors of "Embraced by the Light," a book about near-death experience. But despite their unwillingness to transform the meeting into a debate, speakers were subjected to some verbal brickbats from a few hecklers in the audience. His fists clenched, Dr. Daniel W. Miller, a Brooklyn psychologist, stepped to the microphone to denounce one of the panels. "This is not an objective platform, and I've heard nothing but vituperation from the scientific power structure trying to reinforce its own image," he said. "Your medicine and science are based on your presuppositions. I don't deny the utility of conventional medicine, but you refuse to acknowledge that alternative therapies may also be useful." Dr. Miller's business card describes his specialty as "Organic Process/Past Lives Psychotherapy." Just as serious a threat to rational inquiry as paranormal nostrums, according to several participants, is ethnocentrism and efforts by various groups to rewrite history in the interest of raising self-esteem. Dr. Bernard Ortiz de Montellano, an anthropologist at Wayne State University in Pleasant Ridge, Mich., who directs a program to recruit members of ethnic minority groups into the sciences, assailed what he said was the distortion of history to enhance ethnic pride. "A teaching aid widely distributed among teachers of African-American studies asserts that African science developed along different and superior lines," he said, in which the ancient Egyptians - portrayed as the ancestors of modern blacks - supposedly led the way with their studies of "trans-material causation," remote viewing, astrology and other forms of magic. Students may leave such courses with the impression that ancient Egyptian theological mysticism offers a more accurate view of the world than do the canons of science. But other speakers challenged the idea that education should take the blame for superstition and belief in all that is supernatural or unreasonable. "Take Russia and France," Dr. Weissmann said. "Both countries educate their young people in science far better than we do. But the belief in magic and the supernatural is certainly more widespread in France and Russia than it is in the United States." Dr. Dudley R. Herschbach of Harvard University, winner of the 1986 Nobel Prize in Chemistry, spoke wistfully about opportunities lost in a series of documentary programs broadcast recently by the Public Broadcasting System. Dr. Herschbach and two other Nobel winners, Dr. Leon M. Lederman and Dr. J. Michael Bishop, were the subjects of these three programs, called "The Nobel Legacy," broadcast in April and May. The three scientists sought to convey to the audience a sense of the beauty and excitement of scientific inquiry, but in the broadcast programs, the producers inserted frequent interjections by Dr. Anne Carson, a professor of classics at Emory and McGill Universities who is a harsh critic of many of the principles of science. "I never met her, and I was sorry I couldn't engage her in a dialogue," Dr. Herschbach said. Dr. Saul Green, who for many years was a biochemist at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Institute in New York, declared that "it's time to get nasty - to launch a crusade against quackery." Patent medicines that claim to "stimulate the immune system," for example, couch their advertisements in pseudoscientific terms, he said, that impress buyers who are educationally ill qualified to detect such fraud. Dr. Gerald Holton, a physics professor at Harvard University, warned that if science did not take some determined steps to protect itself, it would succumb to the powerful social and political forces arrayed against it. Referring to the Government hearings during the Communist-hunting McCarthy era that deprived Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer of the security clearances he needed to continue as leader of nuclear weapons research, Dr. Holton said: "Oppenheimer acquiesced in his own destruction. He said later that during the hearings 'I had very little sense of self.' " The lesson, Dr. Holton said, is that "the moral authority of science depends on maintaining a good sense of self, and recognizing the need to act in self-protection." The need for American scientists to act has become urgent, he said. Copyright 1995 The New York Times -- *=========================================================* * SUPPORT THE PHIL ZIMMERMANN LEGAL DEFENSE FUND! * * Email: http://www.netresponse.com/zldf * *=========================================================* --- HighNRG - (408)292-0679 - San Jose, Ca. 95125 Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=4680