X-Message-Number: 48 From att!arpa!RELAY.CS.NET!dupont.com!JLCL01!BEATTYR Thu Dec 22 00:32:16 1988 Received: by att.ATT.COM (smail2.6 att-mt) id AA23191; 22 Dec 88 00:32:16 EST (Thu) Received: from relay2.cs.net by RELAY.CS.NET id aa16672; 21 Dec 88 10:20 EST Received: from dupont.com by RELAY.CS.NET id aa14732; 21 Dec 88 10:12 EST Date: Wed, 21 Dec 88 10:16 EST From: "(Roy R. Beatty) Keane, Inc. [BEATTYR] 302-774-0335 B-10217" <BEATTYR%JLCL01%> Subject: CRYONICS -- Glassification, Uploading To: ho4cad!kqb% X-VMS-To: @BWINE:[BEATTYR.MAIL]CRYO,BEATTYR Status: R Re: Glassification of Whole-Body Patients Dear Dr. Cryo, If vitrification/glassification is possible at -135C (or whatever) at perfusion levels not toxic to brain cells, could the rest of the body be perfused and "glassed" in a cryonic pressure "kiln" and preserved as well? That is, does glassification make whole-body preservation more sensible? Non-toxic whole-body preservation might mean that a patient could be revived before the advent of molecular assemblers. Does glassification re-open the neuro-preservation debate? Roy [ At the Oct. 30 Life Against Death conference Mike Darwin pointed out that improved suspension technology could make whole-body preservation much preferable to neuro. Currently all forms of suspension introduce so much damage that the technology required to fix that damage should be able to clone easily a new body for the head. When suspension improves so that it causes only a little damage, then whole-body suspension would likely become preferable. If glassification (vitrification) becomes successful for whole bodies in the near future, then the answer to your questions probably becomes "Yes". - Kevin Q. Brown ] Re: Uploading Blow-Out Pete, >> Joe Blow is essentially incurious and hostile to change. ... >> Uploading might just make a marketable alternative to death, but it >> won't appeal to Joe Blow if he has even the slimmest chance at a >> decent meat life. I suspect that Mr. Blow, being a product of our culture, is just as interested in new gadgetry as you or I. Take lawn-mowing: a mower which cuts, bags, fertilizes and can operate without human assistance could successfully be marketed, at least in this country. Of course, no-grow nano-grass, converting sunlight to electricity and storing it, would also find its devotees. Similarly, if Grandma Blow was having trouble with arthritis, senile dementia, incontinence, etc., one of her children, Joseph or Amanda, would likely advocate her receiving Age-X free-radical cleanser, or whatever. Doctors fearful of malpractice suits would make such things a part of routine care, whether the technology is "meat" based or not. >> However I don't believe that an increase in their functionality, >> through nano-engineering or other technologies, will make uploaded >> existance any more palatable to Joe Blow; more likely scare the >> bejeesus out of him. Putting one's life in anyone else's hands is scary, no matter what technology you're using. If I were about to be uploaded, I'd want to read the latest article on it in Consumer Reports, if it hasn't gone totally socialist by then. >> There are still plenty of folks out there with a real distaste for >> recreative sex, and plenty of legislators among them. So what chance >> does recreative death have? There are a few differences which makes recreational death more acceptible. o Repression of recreational sex is part of the historical oppression of the young by the old. Sex and Drugs and Rock'n'Roll are debated in Senate hearings even today--ask Frank Zappa. Social Security has turned out to be welfare for the old, taken from the young. Recreat- ional death is something the old may have a greater stake in, and so the self-interestof the old may make recreational death as popular as Lawrence Welk. o There is significant support for euthanasia today. o The recreational death "meme" has a survival advantage over the fear of it--at least when the technology arrives. What is to prevent you from creating multiple copies of yourself? Those that upload may soon become the majority. o And, presumeably, the first uploaded mind will be an enormously capable person and better able to defend his or her way of "life" than most others. I enjoyed your femto-reviews. I'm always hunting for a good read. Roy Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=48