X-Message-Number: 5009
From:  (David Stodolsky)
Subject: Re: Memory, ischemia and freezing: let's put the discussion on the web
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 20:20:58 +0100

In Message #4995 Ralph Merkle <> states:
Subject: Memory, ischemia and freezing: let's put the discussion on the web


>A general observation: a mailing list is an awful place to hold
>a serious discussion.  Regardless of the merit of a post, it fades
>and is forgotten.  The same arguments are hashed and rehashed, and

If the posts are archived, they can be accessed by various means. 
Let's not forget that most do not have Web access. The HyperMail
program can give Web users a fully threaded view of a mailing list
automatically.



>As a consequence, it might be useful if someone were to volunteer
>as webmaster of the "Memory, ischemia and freezing home page."

Better to have an editorial team. This reduces the risk of bias, and
makes continuity over time more likely. Simple approval rules, such
as those being used in the sci.med.aids newsgroup could be applied.
Another model is the Web-based Universal(?) Journal of Computer Science
(UJCS).



>  As a consequence,
>it would seem appropriate that the "Memory" page be organized by
>topics, where each topic discusses a particular type of damage to

Such organization could just as well be handled through an independent
Web site. This would have the advantage that links could be made 
to the biomedical literature without the risk of being "tainted" by
its connection to cryonics.



>If the foregoing proposal looks suspiciously like a special topic
>technical journal which happens to be on the web, you've pretty much
>got the idea.  The differences are (a) it's a lot easier to create
>some web pages than it is to start a journal, (b) it would be more
>widely and easily available, (c) "submissions" would likely be
>shorter and more numerous, as the overhead involved in paper

These are all good reasons for a new journal to go electronic.



>publication is largely eliminated, (d) it would be relatively
>easy to put in back links, i.e., you could easily find out what
>subsequent posters had to say about a given page, thus helping
>to rapidly weed out errors and (e) "refereeing" would be simpler,

Back links are built into Hyper-G servers and they can be added to
regular Web pages with the new Open Journal link databases:
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Date:         Tue, 3 Oct 1995 18:59:13 BST
Reply-To: Steve Hitchcock <>
From: Steve Hitchcock <>
Subject:      Open Journal project news
To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L <>

News release

Linking hypermedia journals on the World Wide Web:
the Open Journal project

http://journals.ecs.soton.ac.uk/

The main features of the project's link service are:

* Links do not need to be placed when journal papers are authored, thus
realizing the concept of the 'open' journal
* Links can be made _from_ archival journals available electronically,
not only from new publications or new issues
* Links can be made from documents in popular electronic formats, such
as pdf, as well as html
* Links can be created by simple point-and-click mouse operations rather
than embedded, inflexible and costly html code


Powerful and flexible hypermedia linking facilities are being added to
quality scientific journals that are available over the World Wide Web under
a new project supported by the Electronic Libraries (eLib) programme, funded
by the Higher Education Funding Bodies in the United Kingdom.
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>And if the webmaster got really ambitious, some of the more hotly
>debated topics could be reformulated as questions suitable for
>Idea Futures.  If some of the Caribean web-based gambling operations

Unfortunately, another Not Invented Here (NIH) project, which in fact
reifies the entire scientific system and duplicates a venture capital
market. For an intro to a scientific communication system which explicitly
introduces the equivalent of a venture capital market into the publication

process see: URL: 
ftp://ftp.eu.net/documents/authors/Stodolsky/selfman.crit.dialog
or my lead article (which may not be out yet) which deal explicitly with
electronic publication of scientific communications:
Stodolsky, D. S. (1995). Consensus journals: Invitational journals based 
upon peer review. The Information Society, 11(4). [Special issue on 
Electronic Journals and Scholarly Publishing]



In summary, cryonics needs an "acceptable" outlet for scientific "papers",
which can also attract main line researchers who will not touch cryonics
for fear of their career possibilities. A Web journal that linked
to such researchers' on-line materials could be a first step in expanding
the scientific manpower thinking about neuropreservation problems.
Explicit invitations to these researchers to evaluate pages linked
to their own materials could be a way to stimulate involvement and
follow-up "papers". (See my last cited paper on how this would work
ideally.)

Cryonic suspension will not be regarded as a science, until it is
supported by a quality (peer reviewed) journal. The electronic format
lowers the threshold for achieving this desirable state. The invitational
structure proposed above, eases both the workload on editorial staff
and potential referees, as well as easing building this pool of persons.
The focus should be on the social aspect of the effort, that is, getting 
editors/referees with acceptable standing to launch the effort. Technical
standards around electronic publishing are evolving so fast right
now that any 'innovations' are likely to be eclipsed in the near future.

dss

David S. Stodolsky      Euromath Center     University of Copenhagen
   Tel.: +45 38 33 03 30   Fax: +45 38 33 88 80 (C)

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