X-Message-Number: 5090 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 21:23:36 -0800 From: John K Clark <> Subject: SCI.CRYONICS Forget about government, it's dead -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In the context of cryonics, discussing the flaws or merits of government is a little like talking about the virtues or evils of Vikings, it's academic. Long before the first cryonics patients are revived, nation states will be long gone, they will be as extinct as city states. I don't think we have a choice, Like it or not a change to Anarcho-capitalism is inevitable, not because somebody's rhetoric convinces people of it's benefits, and certainly not because politicians change the law, but because of technology. Modern communication, cryptography and untraceable digital cash will make it increasingly difficult to collect taxes. Governments will undoubtedly draft many new laws to try to protect themselves but making rules is easy, enforcing them is not. Regardless of the laws, you can't collect the tax if you can't find the money. Even the traditional standby of "tax by inflation" would not work as people would just switch to a competing currency (untraceable of course) that suited their needs better. The tribute that could still be extracted, like property taxes and building permits, would have to be increased to astronomic levels and collected with a heavy hand, a tax revolt will follow. Without money government will grind to a halt. Personally I do not consider that a tragedy, I think it will be good for cryonics. Anarchy can be very workable, (just look at the Internet) I believe its the best way to get things done. It's true that large projects can't be accomplished without good organization but government is not the only way to get organized, or the best. A command economy, the kind governments like, is inherently inefficient. If you doubt this just look at the pitiful situation in Eastern Europe. Even if we make the ridiculous assumption that all politicians are honest and have boiling water IQ's they could never do as good a job as the free market because they are lacking a vital ingredient, price information. The true price of an object is determined by an enormous number of variables and is much too complicated to be calculated from first principles, but the market will tell you what the correct price should be, no trouble at all. Whenever you change jobs, travel, or make a purchase you are casting a vote and sending an exquisitely sensitive message to the economy to change in a way you want. In a Democracy all you can do is vote for a grab bag of promises every 4 years. By far the best introduction to anarchy I know of is "The Machinery Of Freedom" by David Friedman, It's a wonderful book. He talks more about Anarchy (lack of government) than Libertarianism but I think there is reason to think that one will encourage the other because people would be willing to pay private protection agencies (PPA) to protect themselves and their families but would be much more reluctant to PAY money to restrain the private behavior of others, child abuse and perhaps a few others excepted. Anarchy and Libertarianism are related but are two separate concepts so if everybody except me thinks it's important to put on funny hats on Tuesdays and are willing to pay big bucks to enforce it then I'm just going to have to put on a funny hat. Everybody can't have total control over what laws they want to live by but we can have a lot more control than we have now. PPL's ( privately produced law) in a anarchic world would have private protection agencies (PPA's) to back them up. All parties would have a reason to avoid violence if possible. The disputing parties would not want to turn their front yard into a war zone and violence is expensive. The successful protection agencies would be more interested in making money than saving face. Most of the time this would work so I expect the total level of violence to be less than what we have now but I'm not such a utopian as to suggest it will drop to zero. Even when force is not used the implicit threat is always there, another good reason to be civilized. No system can guarantee justice to everybody all the time but you'd have the greatest chance of finding it in Anarcho-capitalism. In a dictatorship one man's whim can lead to hell on earth, I don't see how 40 million Germans could have murdered 6 million Jews in a Anarcho-capitalistic world. Things aren't much better in a Democracy, 51% can decide to kill the other 49% , nothing even close to that is possible in Anarchy , even theoretically . In general, the desire NOT to be killed is much stronger than the desire to kill a stranger, even a Jewish stranger. Jews would be willing to pay as much as necessary, up to and including their entire net worth not to be killed. I doubt if even the most rabid anti Semite would go much beyond 2%. As a result the PPA protecting Jews would be much stronger than the one that wants to kill them. In Anarchy, for things that are REALLY important to you ( like not getting killed) you have much more influence than just one man one vote. It won't be perfect , there will still be brutality, but you have to ask yourself, brutal compared to what ? states? Governments, those paragons of charity and morality, those defenders of the weak and powerless, the source of all virtue, have butchered hundreds of millions of people this century alone, often their own citizens. PPA's would have to work very hard to break that record. The bottom line, don't count on government protecting you when you're frozen in liquid nitrogen, it will be dead , and unlike you there will be no hope for revival. John K Clark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.i iQCzAgUBMJhU3303wfSpid95AQHyawTuLzImfeRoMvNarSNhXKWs3m2qAUqZUnXe i5CFk1161+HdqK+10qPBEYQoCnKr/4qB/bHYQfI1uhW/OeQmjx5PR8DxnS83J6dV TaCKFqUNSRJoTnni7njaCqm9cJgNYkmv6Z7Wtqe6rMCAiXHQUXJGV0/PZPXMEzxZ m2z1sWcHX3oHC7CUfhV4D3ceynlF8ePH6Xp8/gFtx/vaEueX6WQ= =v/2Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=5090