X-Message-Number: 5120
Date: 06 Nov 95 15:56:12 EST
From: Mike Darwin <>
Subject: Julius, Ethel and David

David Stodolsky writes:

>I think this author was target of a libel prosecution. 

News to me!  Can you document this?  For what was he prosecuted?  Was he 
convicted?

>A review ofthe facts will demonstrate that the Rosenberg and related cases 
were
>fabricated to promote the geo-political interests of the US government
>after the war. (Recently I heard a lecture by a German historian,
>who through examination of the diary of Stalin's closest assistant,
>concluded that Stalin continued to believe and promote the reunification
>of Berlin, long after the other Allies had de facto divided the city.) 

Hey, the rest of you guys on Cryonet; do you think the above merits more 
rebuttal than reposting this nonsense?

I'll just say that I agree Stalin wanted to reunite Berlin; in about the 
same way the Wolf wanted to be hospitable to Little Red Riding Hood.

Even the NEW YORK TIMES and NEWSWEEK have given upon on Juliusand Ethel as 
innocents.

>US
>withdrawal from Europe immediately after the war was unthinkable,
>because it would have left Europe open to an attack by the USSR. But
>since the USSR was one of the Allies, this was not the real motivation.

Yeah, Truman and Eisenhower were not Einstens, but they weren't brain-dead 
either!

>The real agenda was to prevent communist parties from gaining a foothold
>in postwar Europe. The CIA was involved in funding the opposition
>to the legal communist party in Italy after the war. They also supplied
>the "Gladio" secret militia. This consisted of arming extreme
>right-wing (including fascist) groups, who apparently did not wait
>for a Soviet strike into Western Europe, but used their weapons in
>political assassinations. Winston Churchill collaborated in the Atom
>Spy Hoax, because as he said, it is easier to mobilize people when
>the you "put a face on the enemy."

If your point is that the US and its Allies did nasty, illegal and immoral 
things, I couldn't agree more.  They were amateurs compared to Stalin and 
Beria.  Does this make it right?  No!  Does this make me want to live under 
Stalin?  NO!!!!

>Precisely the conclusion you are supposed to come to as a result of
>the above propaganda. It is precisely in "mathematics" that the Soviet
>system excelled, because their economy was too unbalance to support
>application of theoretical knowledge.

OK, I'll bite.  So why didn't the USSR become a leader in programming, and 
in applications of their wonderful education and theoretical excellence? 
(Get ready for some real entertainment folks.)

>If the USSR had not collapsed,
>it would has eclipsed the West, because of an education system which
>was producing scientists at a much greater rate in virtually all hard
>science areas. Now most of these folks are in the USA, Israel, etc.


David, David, what a pity!  You could have been a first class Communist 
Apparatchik or maybe even low-level party theoretician. The above 
observation ranks right up there with the idea that the machines make the 
workers competent and productive.  Had you been in the Red Army I have no 
doubt you would have been the kind of guy who tore faucets out of the wall 
in Germany and was bitterly disappointed when, upon reinstalling them in 
the wall in your home in Russia, couldn't imagine why water didn't come 
pouring out when you opened the tap.  

To others on Cryonet, Sorry to be so ad hominem with David, but there are 
limits to my patience. I have about as much patience with this kind of 
thing as I do with the people who go about claiming there was no holocaust. 
 Which is to say: I have NONE.

Also,  I have also had the misfortune of MEETING David, and worse still, 
listening to him speak (interminably and incoherently) at the Lake Tahoe 
Life Exrension Festival at the Thunderbird Inn (proably over 10 years ago). 
 It was (obviously) an unforgettable experience, and one which most of you 
may be thankful you were spared.

Mike Darwin


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