X-Message-Number: 5124 Date: 06 Nov 95 18:03:52 EST From: "Steven B. Harris" <> Subject: CRYONICS: Nanotech Saves Socialism! I have to say something about Dr. Stodolsky's remarks about economics (uninterested readers can tune out now): Stodolsky: >>The Soviet system was known for massive inequalities in different fields. It was remarkably efficient in weapons production. How else, could a third world economy compete militarily with the USA?<< Answer: by starving their citizens to do it, as is well known. Whether or not the Soviets were "efficient" at doing this (building weapons, not starving citizens-- no question about the last), this is open to debate. They didn't spend as much as we did on their military, although they came close. On the other hand, over the entire cold war, Soviet weapons in general *never* stood up to the U.S. standards in any conflict where there was an opportunity to test one directly against the other, from Korea to the Persian Gulf. So did the Soviet system get good bang for the buck, even in military matters? It's not clear. Stodolsky: >>It is precisely in "mathematics" that the Soviet system excelled, because their economy was too unbalanced to support application of theoretical knowledge. If the USSR had not collapsed, it would have eclipsed the West, because of an educa- tion system which was producing scientists at a much greater rate in virtually all hard science areas.<< If the USSR hadn't collapsed, they would have eclipsed the West??? <g>. An opaque point, to be sure. This reminds me of the story of the mother at the piano recital, who was overheard saying "Well, MY daughter would have played that piece much better, if she'd ever decided to take up the piano." The problem with communist systems is exactly that they steal needed resour- ces from one area in order to overproduce in another, and then they (and their apologists) ask us to imagine what things would be like if they'd been communists, BUT done it right. The answer is that this, by its very nature, could not have happened. Castro, for example, brags that if we're short of doctors in inner-cities, he'll send us some. I'm sure he'd be glad to. His own doctors are having a hard time treating diseases in starving people. Socialism is great at robbing everybody to build little Potemkin village-like works of wonder, to which its apologists always point, as with an Egyptian pyramid or Mayan temple. But you always have to look at the whole thing, because in socialist societies, most parts ALWAYS suffer terribly to pay for the bit of wonder. That's the PROBLEM with communism-- always a few shining dams or turbines or show-hospitals, but no middle class. And no, it's not likely that the problem of bad information processing in centralized economies can be fixed in the near future, or by David Stodolsky. As von Hayek notes, the power of the free market to solve economic problems results from the parallel or net processing power of hundreds of millions of human brains working hard (several hours a day) to process economic information for their own direct self-interests-- with critical information about supply and demand for goods and services passed *between* minds (and businesses) by the incredibly simple and relatively efficient mechanism of free-market prices. As we saw with the USSR competing with the US, there is a vast difference between the capability of hundreds of millions of brains loaded with critical information about wants, needs, values, and resources; and that of a few thousands of planners or commissars who are missing that individual information (and not working so directly for themselves, to boot). Nor is that difference in power going to be supplied by computers any time soon (since all the computer power in the world doesn't help when the computers don't have the personal information to crunch). I don't know what David Stodolsky's ideas are to use computers at the personal level in order to tweak government policy, but if such plans are intended to use computers to make up for the quality of thinking that goes on when people think about their own interests, VERSUS the quality of thinking that happens when they think about the "public in- terest" (whatever that is), then Stodolsky is being tremendously naive. But that's Cryonet. I suppose this sort of thing is one variant of the idea that with enough computers you can fix anything, even death. Even taxes. Even socialism. In other words, now we face the idea that Nanotechnology with capital N may finally be the salvation of Communism with capital C (every- body needs a God). And yes, I'm willing to admit that perhaps it's possible that when computers get to be a smart as people, and we can assign one "machine" ("implant"?) per person, and load this implant automa- tically with that person's desires and values, and get it to interface subconsciously in a net with all other people's computer-implants, THEN we'll get some kind of system in which "government" or "public" or "democratic" decision-making will approximate the power and effectiveness of free market individual decision-making as we see it operate in the world today. But that world will be one in which we also will have re-created the market-place in cyberspace, in a sense, and it will be then be very hard to tell the difference between socialism and individua- list free-enterprise, because we'll all be interconnected in ways that make that future world unfathomable in today's terms. In other words, that future world is so different from the one we inhabit now, that debating about appropriate system(s) of government for it is likely a waste of time. In the meantime, let us avoid collective decision-making (i.e., where everyone gets what only the majority deserve) wherever possible. Collective decisions (see your voting choices at election-time) are invariably horribly simplified when compared with the richness of individual choice-making. There are good reasons for that, and let us not forget them. They are rooted in our biological relative lack of connectedness, and in our relative mechanical ineptitude at this time. These things won't change soon. Our mechanical computers and all of our planning institutions are crude things when compared with our brains, and will be for many decades. Meanwhile, let us use the political system which maximizes use of our brains, given the connections we have possible now. Centrally planned economies don't fill the bill. 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