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From:  (Brian Wowk)
Newsgroups: sci.cryonics
Subject: Re: Trans Time, Inc.
Date: 7 Dec 95 05:29:53 GMT
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In <>  (hEpCaT) writes:

> sez:
>>         The last thing I want for Christmas is a flame war with
>> David Cosenza, but... 
>> [...] It should also be noted (for posterity, if nothing else)
>> that many of the peole now working for CryoCare and its service
>> providers bear a large measure of responsibility for Alcor's 
>> haven "proven itself worthy again and again" over the past 20
>> years.

>The only people I can think of that Mr. Wowk could be referring to is Brenda 
>Peters and Mike Darwin who were vocal Alcor supporters for years.

	Vocal supporters?  A bit more than that!  Try President, Director 
of Research, Suspension Team Leader, editor of Cryonics Magazine, co-author 
of Cryonics: for Tomorrow, and co-developer of the entire medical approach to
cryonics that is driving the movement today.  For almost ten years, Mike
Darwin, Jerry Leaf (now cryopreserved at Alcor), and Hugh Hixon (still
with Alcor) WERE Alcor.  They laid the administrative and technical
foundations on which the organization still rests.

	Also, I find your "only people I can think of" list of Brenda Peters 
and Mike Darwin as important former Alcor supporters to be at least a
dozen people short of the mark. 

	This post (and my previous post) is NOT a critique of Alcor.
Alcor is still a fine organization.   Although Mike and Jerry are
not there anymore, Alcor has succeeded in attracting talented new
blood.  But that is my point.  There are limits to how much credit
a new crowd can take for achievements of people who are no longer 
around, and you have to give the Devil (Mike Darwin, that is :) his due
even when he sets up shop under a new name: BioPreservation, Inc.
under contract to CryoCare Foundation.      

>My last post couldn't possibly have been more impersonal. It is not my 
>intention to flame Mr. Wowk or his cryonics company; if i have inadvertently 
>done so, then I humbly apologize.

	Overall I thought your post was very reasonable, and even
restrained.  My only complaint (which I have now made very vocally) was 
your implication that CryoCare is a group of untested newcomers,
which is not the case at all.

---Brian Wowk   

>(Ps, If folks would like further insight into the political infighting at
>Alcor as well documentation relating to the aforementioned risks, they are
>free to send me email anytime.)

	Please add me () onto your list of private document 
requesters.  I'm always interested to see how prudently other organizations
handle issues involving patient confidentiality and legal risk. 


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