X-Message-Number: 5371 From: (Brian Wowk) Newsgroups: sci.cryonics Subject: Re: Trans Time, Inc. Date: 7 Dec 95 05:29:53 GMT Message-ID: <> References: <> <> <> <> In <> (hEpCaT) writes: > sez: >> The last thing I want for Christmas is a flame war with >> David Cosenza, but... >> [...] It should also be noted (for posterity, if nothing else) >> that many of the peole now working for CryoCare and its service >> providers bear a large measure of responsibility for Alcor's >> haven "proven itself worthy again and again" over the past 20 >> years. >The only people I can think of that Mr. Wowk could be referring to is Brenda >Peters and Mike Darwin who were vocal Alcor supporters for years. Vocal supporters? A bit more than that! Try President, Director of Research, Suspension Team Leader, editor of Cryonics Magazine, co-author of Cryonics: for Tomorrow, and co-developer of the entire medical approach to cryonics that is driving the movement today. For almost ten years, Mike Darwin, Jerry Leaf (now cryopreserved at Alcor), and Hugh Hixon (still with Alcor) WERE Alcor. They laid the administrative and technical foundations on which the organization still rests. Also, I find your "only people I can think of" list of Brenda Peters and Mike Darwin as important former Alcor supporters to be at least a dozen people short of the mark. This post (and my previous post) is NOT a critique of Alcor. Alcor is still a fine organization. Although Mike and Jerry are not there anymore, Alcor has succeeded in attracting talented new blood. But that is my point. There are limits to how much credit a new crowd can take for achievements of people who are no longer around, and you have to give the Devil (Mike Darwin, that is :) his due even when he sets up shop under a new name: BioPreservation, Inc. under contract to CryoCare Foundation. >My last post couldn't possibly have been more impersonal. It is not my >intention to flame Mr. Wowk or his cryonics company; if i have inadvertently >done so, then I humbly apologize. Overall I thought your post was very reasonable, and even restrained. My only complaint (which I have now made very vocally) was your implication that CryoCare is a group of untested newcomers, which is not the case at all. ---Brian Wowk >(Ps, If folks would like further insight into the political infighting at >Alcor as well documentation relating to the aforementioned risks, they are >free to send me email anytime.) Please add me () onto your list of private document requesters. I'm always interested to see how prudently other organizations handle issues involving patient confidentiality and legal risk. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=5371