X-Message-Number: 5751
From: John de Rivaz <>
Newsgroups: sci.cryonics,sci.life-extension,uk.legal
Subject: Re: Death (was Donaldson MR and Miss Hindley)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 10:47:07 +0100
Message-ID: <>
References: <> <>

I wonder if Marshall Rice would like to tell us what he thinks would be a 
critera for there to be no longer any possibility of recovering the 
information required. 

Or maybe he hasn't considered this point, having just focussed on restoring 
the original body. It is facinating to see how we can focus on one aspect 
of a discussion and miss other possibilities.

In article: <>  writes:
> 
> Marshall Rice <> writes:
>  
>>Now that said, I can see no reason why, in principle, *living* tissues, or

>>even whole organisms, cannot be suspended. The difficulty of freezing tissues

>>before any individual cells autolyse, and in such a way that the restructuring
>>of water-linked molecules is not disruptive, may *conceivably* be overcome.
>>
>>What I object to is the taking of money to freeze dead meat, on the
>>pretence that it may somehow, some day, some way, become 'you' again.
>  
>  
>  At what point does one become dead meat? At the instant an attending
>physican says so? As any researcher on strokes can tell you, cell death
>(from ischema) is a fairly slow process, slowed further still in a cold
>environement. (Thus the recoveries of those submerged in cold water as
>much as 65 minutes.) Like many other things, it's a gradual mater, best
>intervened in as early as possible. The point at which structural
>information is even theoretically unrecoverable is unknown, but not
>immediate, unless one has had the misfortune to suffer *massively*
>damaging accidents or mayhem....
>  
>   Frank
>  
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