X-Message-Number: 5907 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 96 13:23:03 From: Mike Perry <> Subject: Re: Virtue of Suffering John Sharman, #5905, writes >Am I right in taking it that all the cryonicists accept that a >"mature nanotechnology" is a requirement sine qua non >for revival? Maybe not "all" cryonicists, but probably most of us think that mature nanotechnology will be required for revival of persons frozen by today's (and previous) methods. >And that that expression ["mature nanotechnology"] has a >meaning independent of cryonics (i.e. "mature >nanotechnology is not simply defined as "such technology >as will permit the revival of deepfrozen corpses")? definitely. >If that is right, what grounds have you for assuming that it >will ever be available at affordable rates. Someone >pointed out a while back in a related thread that the >alchemists' goal of transmutation is now available but is >hopelessly uneconomical. Capability and viability are not >the same thing. Just what proportion of GNP do you see >being pumped into the development of nanotechnology in >order to "make it happen"? We have no guarantee that any future process, feasible in principle, will *not* prove "prohibitively expensive" and thus remain forever unavailable. But I think there are reasons to be optimistic. One thing about the "mature nanotechnology" we envision, in addition to being able to manipulate individual atoms, is that it will be very strongly computation-oriented, which means it can be used to make its own decisions and control its own operations. Automation should reduce the "cost" of doing things to the point that it takes on a whole new meaning. The "cost" of producing an automobile for example (should we desire to produce such an antiquated conveyance), might be comparable to the cost today of producing a swarm of locusts or a field of crabgrass. Basically, an army of self-repairing or self-replacing robots, both large and small, should be able to largely run their own operations. Naturally they would be programmed to have corresponding motives, as need be. They might be made, for example, to have most sincere wishes to do precisely what we wanted them to do. To them the most arduous or otherwise taxing tasks might seem like the kind of enjoyable sport that people today would pay money for the privilege of doing. This would eliminate the need for much human intervention, which is what figures so much in the "cost" of things. (And think about it. You pay people to do things they wouldn't particularly want to do otherwise. What if you had a kind of programmable draft animal or slave that could be made to want to do just what you wanted it to do, without asking for pay? That ought to be possible.) This is not to say there will not be a need for continuing human involvement. (Actually, "more-than-human" involvement, since we'll develop considerably beyond the creatures we are today.) And things could get very much out of control--we'll have to be very careful in setting up this system, which should have many internal checks and balances and be very robust. On the other hand, the problems ought to be resolvable--so the prospects seem good to me for a largely self-sustaining economic machine. In particular, I foresee a time when such things as revival of frozen people will be a largely automated process, which can be carried out with little in the way of "payment" as we understand it today. As for how much of the then-GNP it might take to "make it happen"--my feeling is that the capability of reviving people will be a byproduct of more fundamental technology such as the development of a general-purpose assembler. I don't see a vast, specialized project being necessary but if it is necessary, then certainly it ought to be carried out (assuming revival is possible) and hopefully it will be. The issue might be raised that, if people are to to develop into more-than-humans with all their drudgeries relieved by a self-sustaining economic apparatus, would they, in their superhuman majesty, care about reviving mere humans from a bygone era? My feeling is that at least some such beings would be interested in doing that, if it is possible, much as some people (myself for one) would be very interested in reviving a hominid ancestor or any other past creature, if that were possible. Mike Perry, Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=5907