X-Message-Number: 6253
From: Brian Wowk <>
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 00:13:17 -0500
Subject: Lies, forgery, and breach of trust

Date: 23 May 96 16:18:21 GMT
Message-ID: <>
Newsgroups: sci.cryonics
Subject: Re: British Columbia elections & BC's anti-cryonics law

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 wrote:
> $ (froze two people in Manitoba
> $ myself recently),

> one was your mom, but that wasnt that recent was it?

	I don't recall ever seeing any public announcement
to the effect that my mother was frozen in Manitoba by me.
What I do recall is seeing her initial the slot on her Alcor
paperwork stating that SHE DID NOT GIVE PERMISSION FOR THE
DETAILS OF HER CASE TO MADE PUBLIC.  If your statment is
true (which I neither confirm nor deny), I must assume that
the Alcor board has breached its confidentiality agreement
with a frozen member.

	If you are not in fact an Alcor insider violating
patient confidentiality while hiding behind an anon id,
I demand that you immediately disclose your identity and 
the *public source* of your information.  If you are an
Alcor insider, Alcor members everywhere should be concerned
about the possibility of confidential details of *their*
loved ones' cryopreservations being broadcast willy-nilly
to the world.

	I will also add that even if it proves possible
to *infer* that I froze my mother in Manitoba by piecing
together various snippets of public information over the
years, what you have done is still despicable.  By analogy
it may be possible to infer that someone is gay by piecing
together bits of public information.  That does NOT mean
that "outing" them is ethical.    
 
> was the other one that little girl that you and your
> american associate dug up two weeks after burial?

	I did no such thing!  Again, source please?  My
position on these types of cases is matter of public record,
readily accessible on the Usenet and CryoNet archives of
my recent debate with U.K. attorney John Sharman.  From
my knowledge of the case in question, I can state
unequivocally that the FAMILY disinterred the girl for
freezing without any solicitation by cryonicists (and
certainly not me!).  Also, rendering aid on a cryonics
case (when a fellow cryonicist calls in a big favor you
owe him) is NOT the same as endorsing the case.

	I state again for the record that these kinds
of cryonics cases are biologically indefensible, and
do great damage to the image of cryonics.

> im really curious to know how much that "service" costs
> the girls family?

	I have no idea.  Why don't you ask the organization
that accepted her case and collected the money?  (It wasn't
CryoCare.)  While you're at it, why don't you ask another
organization (again, not CryoCare) how much money they 
once accepted for freezing a long-dead girl WITH NO BRAIN
AT ALL.  I'll wager it was at least 10 TIMES more.

	If these kinds of sad cases constitute the "dirty 
laundry" of cryonics, and you feel that airing them in
public is good for cryonics, then why not start with
the laundry at your own organization, Mr. Anonymous? 
   
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Brian Wowk          CryoCare Foundation               1-800-TOP-CARE
President           Human Cryopreservation Services   
   http://www.cryocare.org/cryocare/
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P.S. Apparently "Mr. Anonymous" was too kind an appellation.
     "Mr. Fraud" would be more appropriate, as the sys admin
     at McMaster University confirmed this afternoon that the
     User ID of the message I'm replying to is a *forgery*
     originating from outside Canada.  As if we all don't know
     who that forger is anyway! 

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