X-Message-Number: 6273 From: Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 12:38:21 -0400 Subject: SCI. CRYONICS CI's 19th & reconstruction The Cryonics Institute has suspended its nineteenth human whole- body patient. There is no such thing as a "routine" suspension. Every one has its special circumstances, problems, and opportunities. CI's #19 was especially hairy. 'Twas not a famous victory, exactly; the patient's condition was poor. But it was a victory of sorts, to accomplish any kind of suspension in these circumstances. Much of the credit goes to Joe Kowalsky, a CI member who is an attorney in the Detroit area. Pursuant to a legal settlement, there are details we cannot disclose, but the gist is that the next of kin did not want to freeze the patient, whose paperwork was not up to snuff. The result was delay, expense, and a barely-prevented cremation. We hope other members will take the lesson to heart. Our first duty is to our existing patients and to our members who will be future patients. When a member fails to do his part, as by leaving paperwork less than ship-shape, and the next of kin will not cooperate, then we have a tough choice--to abandon the patient or to expose CI to financial and/or legal risk. Most cryonics organizations, or/and individual members, on occasion have stuck their necks out a bit for a prospective patient in trouble, and we chose to do so in this case; but there are strict limits to this kind of thing, and no one should count on it. It is a severe hazard to your health, after clinical death, to fail to have your paperwork in good order. It is also hazardous to rely too much on the future cooperation of relatives in your suspension; even if you think you are a good judge of character, conditions change and people change. NOW WE NEED TO ADDRESS CERTAIN QUESTIONS that these events raise in some people's minds concerning the chances of revival of patients frozen under suboptimal conditions, and the ethics and public relations of freezing such patients. To some extent the latter can be separated from the former. There are good reasons to consider freezing suboptimal patients, even when we are not contractually obligated to do so. The first is that we respect the individual's wishes, and some people choose to be frozen under ANY conditions--including this patient, as indicated by documents in our possession. "If you can find me, freeze me." The first reason some of us make this choice is that we just don't know how much damage is too much, or how late is too late, and we believe the most "conservative" stance is the one that best conserves the patient and his chances of revival or reconstitution. Second, we don't want to tempt any heirs to conserve the money instead of the patient, by giving them discretion. Also, every suspension builds our experience, tends to strengthen the organization, and improves morale. As to the public relations aspect, admittedly there is risk. Critics may say we are preying on the gullible when we accept patients in poor condition--but then, most of them will say the same thing about ANY suspension. Those willing to listen will understand our rationale; the others will bray anyway. NOW, THE SCIENTIFIC/PHILOSOPHIC BOTTOM LINE ON POSSIBLE RECONSTITUTION: Very few even in the cryonicist/immortalist ranks fully appreciate the foolishness of attempting to foresee the limits of the possible in revival or reconstruction. It boils down to two somewhat distinct types of myopia. The first type of failure is just the refusal to pay serious attention to the outlines of possible technical approaches--in particular the nanotech avenues discussed by Ralph Merkle, Eric Drexler and others. The skeptics essentially just reject as "speculation" anything short of a demonstrated & documented complete success. [Arguably, we have already provided evidence of basic success; Dr. Yuri Pichugin's rabbit brain pieces, after warming from liquid nitrogen temperature, showed both spontaneous and evoked biolectric activity coordinated in networks of neurons.] This is something like the position of many physicians who reject as impermissible ANY treatment not already proven successful, even if the patient has no other hope. And I repeat my reproof to those "scientists" who claim the probability of successful revival is "small" or "negligible." First, not one of them has ever submitted a calculation to justify the alleged probability assessment, nor accepted an invitation to debate. (The Cryonics Institute has a standing offer to pay an honorarium of $5,000, plus first class travel and hotel accomodations, to any first rank anti-cryonics cryobiologist who will come to Detroit for a full day of public debate or "science court" under mutually agreed conditions.) Second, what is "negligible" is whatever you are willing to neglect; speak for yourselves and don't claim or imply a fraudulent authority. The second type of myopia is just an extreme intellectual parochialism or temporal insularity--a refusal or inability to look at the big picture and our place in history, or an inability to see the forest for the trees. One example is disregard of the Precedent Principle. The Precedent Principle is just the observation that whatever HAS existed CAN exist. (Obviously we are talking about physical systems on a human scale, not universal entropy or any such.) A certain physical system--yourself in youthful good health--once existed, and there is no reason to believe that such a system can develop only in the original and "natural" way. You (at your various stages of existence) were generated in a "natural" way; it is PRESUMPTIVE that you--at any desired stage or combination of stages--can be regenerated or reconstituted by one or several of an enormous range of potential future techniques. Our armamentarium eventually will dwarf that of nature. (As one tiny example, the wheel is extremely useful in engineering, yet apparently does not exist in living beings.) Another example is the more-or-less-deliberate choice of tunnel vision, of failing to be resourceful in thinking about an enterprise with which you are unsympathetic. Consider the "destruction" of important structures in the brain that may occur with delayed or imperfect suspension. Almost all "destroyed" or degraded structures may be replaceable by processes of inference that do not depend very much on the brain in question. Most of the structures in the brain are generic, not unique to the individual. Even those that are unique--those relating e.g. to memory and personality--have countless outside connections. We all leave footprints on the sands of time; much of our actions, words, and even thoughts can be inferred from written records, photographs and videos, memories held by relatives and friends, memorabilia, clothing with traces of scent, and much more. Some modern conjectures about quantum physics even hypothesize that there are intimate connections between particles and systems separated by astronomical distances and geological periods. Anyone who deprecates or dismisses the capabilities of future Sherlocks and repairmen is guilty of a presumptuous intellectual arrogance. Somewhat related is the Ignorance Principle, which simply says that (in all likelihood) our areas of ignorance are STILL vastly greater than our areas of knowledge--and therefore despair is absurdly premature. Consider how little we knew about ourselves and nature just a few centuries back. We knew almost nothing about the sidereal universe or earth's place in it, the nature of the stars or their distances and number. Only the visible fraction of the electromagnetic spectrum was known; radio and x-rays were unimagined. The microscopic world was totally unknown. In human anatomy and physiology, we didn't even know about the circulation of the blood or the brain as seat of self and thought. Most of the laws of nature were unknown. Most of the laws of nature, and most of the omniverse and its phenomena, are probably STILL unknown. We know virtually nothing about space or time or spacetime. We know virtually nothing about the correct criteria of identity or survival in various contexts. We don't know how many physical dimensions there may be. We don't know whether past, present and future are fixed or in some sense mutable. We don't know whether the universe is deterministic (although some of us find anything else a meaningless non-concept). We don't know the physical basis of subjective experience, the most important of all phenomena. We don't know whether the self circuit (subjective circuit) is generic, with all that implies. "PERHAPS THERE WALKS A SPIRIT" Frank Tipler wrote a book, The Physics of Immortality, purporting to prove that entities (our descendants or successors) of the far future will be able to resuscitate everyone who ever lived. I emphatically do not agree that he has proven his thesis, but nevertheless we have a prominent scientist whose argued estimates of future development far exceed anything required by cryonics. I vaguely recall part of a poem I read long ago, something like this: A blind man stirred my pity; What worse than not to see! Yet, unseen does a Spirit walk, And does It pity me? Incidentally, two blind men--both Ph.D. scientists!--are members of cryonics organizations. (Gives new meaning to "The blind leading the blind.") Ponder that for a while, and see where your thoughts are led. Many scientists give lip service to the proposition that future technology will outstrip that of the present by orders of magnitude, with qualitative and quantitative changes in life that we cannot imagine. But how many ACT as though they believe that? About enough to fit into one of our cryostats. ONE THING WE DO KNOW, in the context of cryostasis, is that it should be easier to revive and rejuvenate people, or reconstitute them, if we have more of their remains (and their records) and in better condition. We also know that we are more likely to reach a goal if we try than if we don't. We hope more potential immortalists will soon agree to try. And of course an "immortalist" begins with the simple premise that it's hard to enjoy life when you're dead. Inquirers who provide a mailing address will be sent free printed material about cryonics, with technical references, and about the Cryonics Institute and the Immortalist Society. Robert Ettinger Cryonics Institute Immortalist Society Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=6273