X-Message-Number: 6435 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 96 10:05:48 From: Dave Pizer <> Subject: Thomas is right Thomas made some very important points that I think are worth repeating to those who think the government of noncryonicist some other knights on white horses will save us. Thomas wrote: > From: > Subject: Re: unhappy numbers > First of all, I agree totally that we should spend more money on research, and > I also hope for successfullion of brains. I would even go so far as > to say that money is the only SIGNIFICANT obstacle to attainment of that goal -- > though I would hardly expect all the research problems involved to be simply > solved (but they would be clearly solvable). I am not now writing to doubt that,and did not mean that when I discussed this issue before. I agree with Thomas that "money is the only SIGNIFICANT obstacle" standing in the way of developing reversable animation. If we are really serious about not being in the last generation that has to die, we have to raise the money ourselves to perfect cryonics. No one else will perfect it, no one else will raise the money. I also do not believe there is much chance of youth-drugs being invented our lifetimes. I think we are going to have to go into the tanks to survive. We should at least prepare for that, and if we get lucky on the way, good. >............................And they can also raise money to support even > more research toward OUR goals rather than that of other societies. But we > simply will not see a large PUBLIC response to our efforts. And though neither > Saul and Dave seem to think this way, one major point I was making was simply > that we should NOT expect public approbation for our cryonics work. I agree with Thomas. I am sorry if I gave a different impression. But that does not mean that WE cannot try to persuade THEM to contribute to some degree. I am going to go outside cryonics next year to try to raise money, but I am also going to be working hard inside cryonics. The two are not mutually exclusive. Even though I agree with Thomas, I want to try going outside cryonics just in case there is money there to be used for research in cryonics. Our lives are at stake, lets leave no stones unturned. >...................... OUR LIVES DO NOT DEPEND ON CONVERTING EVERYONE, > OR EVEN A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE, TO CRYONICS. They depend on our efforts > alone. This is where Thomas and I 100% agree. Dave Pizer Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=6435